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Note that this, like ad blocking or piracy, also doesn’t help fund the creators.

If you’re indeed “going without” you have no obligation to fund the creators?

Is the goal to fund more creators, or just to have fewer people with a supposed obligation to fund creators?

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post #79

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ABP, the original uBlock Origin, saw the writing on the wall a decade ago or whenever and tried to mediate a truce between users and advertisers. ABP would allow through ads that weren't egregious, and users could provide compensation for content they consumed. People however either can't read or can't comprehend the writing on the wall, so instead they rioted against ABP and moved to uBlock Origin. I know there are…

My computer belongs to me and will display the things I tell it to display. If ABP gets in the way of that, then so long ABP.

This is essentially a variant of tragedy of commons by this point.

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We all hate adverts, some of us don't like or can't pay. Those who pay, have access to a few publications they enjoy. It would be absurd to pay for all the publications, all the streaming services, but we don't want monopolies either. What could be a solution for this madness?

The real answer is that we need a universal web currency, and a tracker that pays web pages on view. There would be 2 webs. A free web, and a paid web. The paid web would set a cost per page and if you wanted to view the page you would pay the cost. No more month to month flat fee, if you watch non-stop videos, you pay non-stop video prices. No more unlimited anything on the paid web, but the trade off would be that…

> No more unlimited anything on the paid web, but the trade off would be that there are no more ads.

The assumption that publishers wouldn't double, or triple dip is absurd. If you've read any recent magazine you'll notice half of it is advertisement. You'd essentially end up with a paid web _and_ ads.

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Micropayments have been tried plenty of times and never succeeded. People say they'd be willing to pay, but they're not.

If it was trivial for me to spend 5 cents for a one off article that someone recommended me, I probably wouldn't mind it at all. Payment processor fees make that essentially impossible, requiring more thought and investment in systems like Flattr to group together the small payments. We need to decouple online payment infrastructure from the duopoly/oligopoly of private corporations that control how and when users ca…

What if it’s not so cheap, though? I think the problem is that the ad-tech industry offers publishers more than the median reader will pay, and does so reliably, while all of the alternatives mean they have to convince a whole ton of people who’ve been trained their entire lives that the internet is free to start paying non-trivial sums for previously free content.

I would like to live in a world where we do pay for what we use but I’m not sure how we get there by now.

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If you’re indeed “going without” you have no obligation to fund the creators?

Is the goal to fund more creators, or just to have fewer people with a supposed obligation to fund creators?

Well, I dunno what goals you have, but my goals include paying for the content I read and not paying for the content I don't. This is something I already do. Paying multiple parties for access to content isn't some maddening problem where the masses are crying out for a solution. Perhaps I'm utterly missing the point in this thread?

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They serve you adverts even if you pay, so that disqualifies them for me.

This. I trialed Apple News+ so I could read WSJ, Atlantic, New Yorker on my iPad via the native iOS app and immediately dropped my subscription when I started seeing ads sandwiched within the articles. Ridiculous.

Thanks for making this known. On the face of it, it’s a good deal. First party slick app with ad-free good quality news content, with a nominal fee. If you pay the Apple premium, they’ll give you the best possible experience and not clutter your screen with ads, right? Guess not.

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> replaced by microtransactions I assume you mean micro payments? Since the dawn of a more commercial internet (80's?) this has been pointed out as the holy grail, for example to replace ads and newspaper subscriptions. So how do you think this could now materialize? In general I think individual financial transactions are getting more expensive, making micro payments even more unlikely then ever before.

Yea, micropayments but people can't keep up with dozens subscriptions. Someone will figure out micropayments sooner or later.

I mean, Jakob Nielsen has been advocating for them since last century: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-case-for-micropayments/

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It's one space where I think some form of microtransaction (in the sub-cents USD) could work: I want to pay per article, not have yet another subscription in the 5-15 USD just because an article interested me. Media consumption habits changed a lot in the Internet-era, we read articles from many different publications, and only very few of those are of interest enough for someone to spend that amount per month. Inste…

I think that argument is begging the question. Media consumption habits changed because that's how the internet was foisted on people - not necesarily because anybody made a choice or were asked what their preferences were. After 30 years on the internet, I've gone full circle. I don't want (and won't) pay per article. 99% of the news articles I read come from a handful of trusted websites (a couple of major news out…

I don't subscribe (with payment) even to websites I trust for their content because I don't trust them for how they track users, and how users are (or could be) tracked everywhere by payment processors via those subscriptions.

Subscribing to a public library where diversity of content is guaranteed but tracking is not per user is fine.

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