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Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by immibis »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #64
crinkly wrote: post #4

https://archive.ph/ We need to keep making more of these.

https://web.archive.org https://commoncrawl.org I would prefer more of these. Alas, archive.today (archive.ph, archive.is, archive.vn, etc.) is sometimes blocked in some countries, it sometimes serves CAPTCHAs, it tries to create a "fingerprint" using Javascript, and it contains a tracking pixel. Neither Internet Archive nor Common Crawl do those things. (There are other archives I am not mentioning that do not do th…

The Internet Archive operates within the law (mostly), while archive.foo is blatantly illegal, which is why it has so many domain names, among other things. Think Anna's Archive vs Library of Congress.

The future is going to be some kind of bland corporate internet of useless corporate things (only people with a team of lawyers can afford to operate any service on this dark-forest light-network), paired with some kind of dark web full of very useful uncorporate things, which corporations are constantly trying to hunt down, which everyone will use every day.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #129
0x5FC3 wrote: post #3

We all hate adverts, some of us don't like or can't pay. Those who pay, have access to a few publications they enjoy. It would be absurd to pay for all the publications, all the streaming services, but we don't want monopolies either. What could be a solution for this madness?

I feel like the major credit card companies really missed the boat with micropayments.

Well yeah, sortof. Note that the credit card companies mostly function as tech providers for the actual banks, who get a bunch more of the money.

And there are a bunch of fixed costs that emerge in running payment networks at scale (mostly related to fraud and disputes), so micropayments are a hard sell.

Possible that someone could try again with stablecoins but I'm still sceptical it would work. Like, I'd pay for it but I already pay for a bunch of newspapers monthly.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by toader »

varispeed wrote: post #20

I would understand if media were actually working - reporting on local issues, exposing corruption or where things are not working for residents. Reality is that current media are mouthpieces of the rich designed to make us act against our own interest and help widen the wealth gap. These media companies are parasites.

You're painting 'media' with a broad brush. I have multiple local sources that report on local issues and are critical of the local establishment. A lack of funding is causing local news sources to go out of business.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by toader »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #36

Most media outlets these days are just a pile of dark patterns. My local newspaper charges $1/4-weeks for N months, then rockets to $30/4-weeks after (and it still has ads and an absurd number of trackers!). There are 13 4-week spans in a year, rather than the usual 12 months everyone else prices on. If you try to cancel online they give you repeat offers to temporarily lower the price back to $4/mo (until recently y…

Do you think they have to raise their subscription prices because many people are stealing the content?

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by toader »

spicyusername wrote: post #124

Serious question: How do we expect reporters and journalists to be funded if nobody pays? I'm reading a book about the Watergate scandal, "All the president's men", and one thing I keep wondering is how these journalists would get paid today in the absence of newspaper revenue. Paywalls are annoying but good journalism isn't free...

Exactly. Why this is such a difficult concept to grasp? They create a product, set a price, you choose to subscribe or not. If you created licensed software and someone pirated it, are you agreeable to that?

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by ranger_danger »

immibis wrote: post #131
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://web.archive.org https://commoncrawl.org I would prefer more of these. Alas, archive.today (archive.ph, archive.is, archive.vn, etc.) is sometimes blocked in some countries, it sometimes serves CAPTCHAs, it tries to create a "fingerprint" using Javascript, and it contains a tracking pixel. Neither Internet Archive nor Common Crawl do those things. (There are other archives I am not mentioning that do not do th…

The Internet Archive operates within the law (mostly), while archive.foo is blatantly illegal, which is why it has so many domain names, among other things. Think Anna's Archive vs Library of Congress. The future is going to be some kind of bland corporate internet of useless corporate things (only people with a team of lawyers can afford to operate any service on this dark-forest light-network), paired with some kin…

> The Internet Archive operates within the law

It most certainly does not. The archive is home to petabytes of pirated content, and Jason Scott himself has told people many times on many different platforms/interviews to intentionally upload copyrighted content, because "if we had to police everything, we would have no content... so upload first, then let the rightsholder deal with requesting takedowns".

All you have to do is click on the "software" link at the top of the page, and you can find just about any copyrighted app or game that has ever been released, on any platform, available to download instantly for free. Besides usenet, it's the largest centralized cache of pirated content on the planet.

It's one thing to claim Section 230 because you are a service provider and you don't control what your users upload, but it's entirely another thing to publicly acknowledge that you're aware that people do it, you encourage them to do it, AND you don't care.

And regarding archive.foo, just because they have many domains doesn't make it illegal... it means they have enemies who are guilty of the Streisand Effect. Enemies who are known to attack registrars, DNS providers, upstream ISPs/hosting providers and anyone else who will entertain a false flag attempt at claiming a ToS violation in order to get a site taken offline.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by toader »

rckt wrote: post #72

Not sure how is this illegal. It’s like saying that listening to a song that is played anywhere, but your paid service is illegal. Anything public and online is accesible. These guys just motivated a bunch of other people to build more tools to fuck with paywalls.

If you created software and sold a license for it, and I pirated it, would that be acceptable? They create a product, set the price, you choose to pay or not.
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