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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by bdcravens »

rafram wrote: post #441
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #387

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Sure, it was a Democrat president enforcing laws passed by a Democrat-controlled House and Senate in 1990 and 1994, under at least one Democrat president. There are no real "sides" when it comes to the U.S. and Israel. Every party bends the knee and kisses the wall. It’s one big club, and we’re not in it.

> It’s one big club, and we’re not in it. I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply here, but like it or not, most Americans do support Israel.

On specific issues, perhaps. (such as against Hamas)

Overall, it seems that support is waning. (46% according to Gallup)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by kennywinker »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #494
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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Does UNESCO not recognize ukraine?

What action would you like them to have taken to prevent deaths in ukrain?

I called the US complicit, not unesco.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by Supermancho »

orblivion wrote: post #505
simlevesque wrote: post #452

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You just proved you can't name any cruft. It was a simple question.

I deliberately did not answer your question. I refuse to get into the weeds because I reject your premise. I don't know anything about the inner workings of these organizations. (It's really not a "simple question" at all!) It's not my job, I'm just a voter. I have other things to do. You seem to want me to assume that because of this, I have to default to YOUR position. I'm saying, that doesn't match my broad view o…

> I refuse to get into the weeds because I reject your premise.

Occam's Razor would indicate that you have made an unsubstantiated claim that you cannot justify and have been deflecting, desperately. Starting discussions in bad faith, is not constructive.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by lawlessone »

breppp wrote: post #531
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

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>Hamas steals the food given as aid

What food aid?

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by seizethecheese »

kennywinker wrote: post #587
regnull wrote: post #554

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From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted i…

What are you implying? Genuinely I can’t tell who you think these “men on speeding motorcycles” are? I don’t see anything obviously suspicious in that - if your family was starving would you sit back and let them die? Or maybe hop on a motorcycle and cut to the front of the queue?

I don’t think the people who are starving are the ones with motorcycles and gasoline.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by throw310822 »

dlubarov wrote: post #571
throw310822 wrote: post #535

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From Wikipedia: In October 2004, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser, Dov Weissglass, explained the meaning of Sharon's statement further: "The significance of the disengagement plan [from Gaza] is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this…

This seems a bit besides the point; I think the point stands that if Israel always wanted Gaza, its unilateral withdraw wouldn't have made sense.

No, I think you should reflect a bit more. If they have to sacrifice a few settlements in Gaza today to be able to create 30 times more in the West Bank tomorrow, it makes perfect sense. And, it doesn't mean at all giving up Gaza for good: in fact, soon after that, they closed Gaza under a total siege that lasted 20 years, until they found a good excuse to retake that one too.

In chess you sacrifice pieces. Only a really naive player would think "well, if he sacrificed that piece, that proves he doesn't want to win the game".

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by bobnotbob »

themgt wrote: post #512
dijit wrote: post #360

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Sweden and the US are “kinda cozy” (I would say at least, from an inside perspective on how Sweden seems to lean in to US interests including copyright enforcements and so forth). However Sweden was the first country to recognise Palestine. Is it possible that the pulling out of UNESCO is further in-line with Trumps “we want to focus on America” fluff, similar to the threats of pulling out of NATO and the actual pull…

If you don't believe Gaza's health ministry, how about Agence France-Presse? The journalists' association of the French wire service Agence France-Presse (AFP) warned on Monday that staff working with the agency in Gaza are at risk of starvation and that "without intervention, the last reporters in Gaza will die." In the statement, the SDJ said that AFP's journalists in Gaza have warned that they no longer have stren…

Oh, I don't doubt for a minute that the are starving people. The whole reason for Palestinian people to exist is to flip the script (hey it's tiny Israel against the whole giant Arab world) into it's evil Israel against Palestinian people who just want freedom. They are waging the CNN war after they lost, you know, the war war. If there are no starving people to produce for the France Presse cameras, they will create some.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by smallerfish »

regnull wrote: post #554
kennywinker wrote: post #251

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre... Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

From WSJ article: "KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Thousands of hungry Palestinians amassed last Tuesday morning outside a barbed-wire fence surrounding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid center here. The moment the gates cracked open, the crowd surged forward. American security contractors tried to keep control, but scores of men pushed through barricades and snatched boxes of food awaiting distribution. Others sprinted i…

> I know it's easy to judge being far away, but seriously, men on speeding motorcycles?

Why wouldn't they be on "speeding" motorcycles? They have a family to feed. They're probably coming from some distance away. People travel on motorcycles.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by thaumasiotes »

braiamp wrote: post #544
thaumasiotes wrote: post #335

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The announcement calls out two things, admission of Palestine as a member state and the Sustainable Development Goals. The Goals are defined here: https://sdgs.un.org/goals > Target 1.4: By 2030, ensure that all men and women, in particular the poor and the vulnerable, have equal rights to economic resources, as well as access to basic services, ownership and control over land and other forms of property, inheritance…

> I wouldn't call this an ideologically neutral set of goals What would you call it? I mean, none of it sounds like something you can make a argument that it shouldn't be achieved at all. In fact, I would question the ideology of someone that wouldn't want to achieve those goals.

> I mean, none of it sounds like something you can make a argument that it shouldn't be achieved at all.

Really? I'm not sure you read the goals.

They state that renting is bad.

They state that alcohol consumption is bad, and the less it happens, the better the world will be.

They state that equality of opportunity is good, and - independently of that - that inequality of outcome is bad. This despite the fact that equality of opportunity necessarily causes inequality of outcome.

In particular, they state that all subgroups however defined must achieve exactly the same educational outcomes across all metrics.

The family policies are that children (a) should be avoided in general, but also (b) should spend as little time in the home as possible. What do you think are the prerequisites for primary education?

They state that the poor should enjoy all the same comforts, services, and economic security that the rich do.

They establish a fixed quota for nature reserves.

They state that everyone's standard of living should go down.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by lawlessone »

kindkang2024 wrote: post #563
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #547

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> To ask Palestine government to do anything meaningful, yes, they have done a lot Yes, but still not enough, or its people's survival will not depend on the kindness of others. In my opinion, it's not a competent government, at least based on its performance so far.

What are they supposed to do here exactly?
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