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Post by perching_aix »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #220
tacitusarc wrote: post #218

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> No one is saying that chaos is good or order is bad. It’s that the binary itself is a function of our cultural mythmaking. Respectfully, this is nonsense. Ask anyone who lived in Libya under Gaddafi and then in the years since, or who lived under any other despotic regime and compare it to the chaos that ensued when the despot is removed. Civilization’s association with order is not random (or a function of “cultur…

All myths contain a seed of truth. I can accept that living in Libya sucks while also accepting that our culture mythologizes order. I'm not sure how to see the world in such black and white terms - that acknowledging one invalidates the other.

But your original commentary paints the world's entire cultural backdrop as myth driven. There was no representation of this subtlety you now acknowledge must be addressed.

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Post by itomato »

dare944 wrote: post #85

Off-topic, but I have to... (From the photo caption) "Bill ... with his iphone prototype" Nope. That's a Sony Magic Link, built by Bill (and others, myself included) during his time at General Magic. I feel General Magic is another one of Bill's endeavors that isn't widely understood or appreciated.

I worked for a time with a dude who was absolutely over the moon with his magic link. He got it in a way that I haven’t seen elsewhere.

Yes, he carried it everywhere. Yes, he used it during his job interview. Yes, it helped.

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Post by DonHopkins »

Stratoscope wrote: post #248
DonHopkins wrote: post #241

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Here's the real story behind "Magic Creep": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838332 Not to be confused with General Magic, which wasn't a money grubbing fraud from day one, which didn't put on the most ridiculous obnoxious unenlightening cocaine addled TedX talk in the history of the universe, which didn't post fraudulent obviously impossibly fake demos to youtube falsely claiming "Just another day in the offic…

Oh my gosh, Don, you are giving me nightmares. But what do you mean about the whale? I know they hypnotized the kids with some Magic, but the whale really did Leap out of the gym floor. That's where they got the company name! I saw it with my own eyes, in that YouTube video. And don't expect me to believe that Rony Abovitz is not a real astronaut, and those were not real apes, and that was not a real space fudge mono…

Do you mean the same guy who perfected the high art of plugging his new AR/VR company at the end of his bombastic woman-blaming non-apology apology that his lawyer warned him not to post because all his colleagues jumped ship from his previous AR/VR company after his sexual abuse scandal sold you a huge Manfrotto tripod with a fluid head at LZ Premiums in San Jose, the one by Coyote Creek and the salt evaporator flat? Oh, do dish to me all about your huge Manfrotto! What has it seen? Tell me more! Tell me more! How's the fluid head treating you after all these years?

PS: Hello fellow Jaunter! Was it big and strong enough to support a Jaunt VR camera? Did you manage to nick one before they shut down? ;)

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Post by fuzzfactor »

DonHopkins wrote: post #241
Stratoscope wrote: post #139

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That is a great documentary, but it's about General Magic, not Magic Leap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Magic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Leap

Here's the real story behind "Magic Creep": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838332 Not to be confused with General Magic, which wasn't a money grubbing fraud from day one, which didn't put on the most ridiculous obnoxious unenlightening cocaine addled TedX talk in the history of the universe, which didn't post fraudulent obviously impossibly fake demos to youtube falsely claiming "Just another day in the offic…

Don't hold back. Tell people how you really feel :)

Few seem to have put it so succinctly. Although your text recovers completely after being fully compressed to "from day one" ;)

Magic Leap gave Nova a bad name and Ft. Lauderdale a worse name but visitors should know better than to be sold their own dream.

Exactly the thing I was advising yachtsmen against when I was a teenager.

Back in the Everglades there never were that many legitimate sources of income so different cultures had long developed different ways to survive in that type of climate :\

Small-town resort coup on SV that one.

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Post by gavinray »

gehwartzen wrote: post #226
gavinray wrote: post #152

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I dissolved 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT in 1mL of bacteriostatic water in a sealed, sterile vial and then injected it intramuscularly into my glute. (If you do this, make sure you inject the upper-outer quadrant. The closer to your midline you go, the further the risk of you hitting a nerve.) If you're very experienced and want to do it for novelty's sake, go for it; I'd warn you, but anyone considering this should know what t…

That’s a good protocol for safely doing IM as you describe it. Though that seems like a big IM dose! :D I’m not too familiar with 4-aco-dmt so couldn’t say. For 5-meo I generally do 6-8mg prepared as above. That seems subjectively close to 15-20mg vaped (powder in a glass pipe not in a “juice” vape). But either of those are definitely a commitment to the ride, lol. I do like the mixed jaguar vape cartridges for micro…

For reference, 20-25mg of oral 4-Aco-DMT feels identical to 3.5g of standard potency cubensis.

But 4-AcO has much less body load and no nausea from the organic matter that'd usually be sitting in your stomach, I think it's better than "organic" shrooms.

5-MeO is a lot stronger mg-for-mg, you're quite brave at those doses IMO!

Truth be told, I was more of a fan of the lighter headspace phenethylamines, like 2C-B or even 25i/25b-NBOMe.

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Post by gavinray »

esseph wrote: post #181
gavinray wrote: post #152

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I dissolved 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT in 1mL of bacteriostatic water in a sealed, sterile vial and then injected it intramuscularly into my glute. (If you do this, make sure you inject the upper-outer quadrant. The closer to your midline you go, the further the risk of you hitting a nerve.) If you're very experienced and want to do it for novelty's sake, go for it; I'd warn you, but anyone considering this should know what t…

Thank you for this, astral traveler

Np, good luck on your journeys!

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Post by fuzzfactor »

rekttrader wrote: post #98
kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

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Agree, but the proponents of "Big Reality" really really really fight against its disruption.

That’s an amazing sentence…

For those who don't remember what it was like when LSD was still legal, this is an accurate synopsis of what could be observed as it quickly was prohibited to the max degree and categorized along with truly more toxic dangerous drugs like opiates. When things like opiates had been recognized for their potentially devastating effects for thousands of years, while psychedelics were still experimental substances.

Realistically an entire new agency (DEA) was chartered to enforce the new regulations, and the greatest threats were those thought to disrupt an "ordained" vision of reality that was not to include the kind of experimentation which made clinical evaluation possible.

Rapidly, before the most thorough experiments could be conducted which would have more accurately informed the established pharma regulation process.

Rather it was superstition that was included in the new regulations, and the enforcement agency was mustered to fight to preserve more superstition than should ever be allowed.

This really really stands the test of time, and if kelsey did not personally observe this phenomenon, it's even more amazing than it appears on the surface.

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Post by mopenstein »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #239
more-nitor wrote: post #237

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hmm so.. "I give you every herb bearing seed upon the Earth" is followed by "to eat/stuff into nose"? with this stupidity, maybe you should try eating list of 20 deadly plants and see how it goes? "ownership" means "edible/nose-able"... maybe you should try eating your car?

Been a while since I've read Genesis but I don't recall God putting any terms and conditions on it

Tells you to eat every planet, creates plants that are fatally poisonous to humans.

That God fella sure is strange.

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Post by gavinray »

DonHopkins wrote: post #250
seltzered_ wrote: post #212

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Related: Hypercard '200 Points of Light' demonstration (concept from 1990): https://youtu.be/H5-T_S50Sr4

I finally located a video with a live demonstration of Chuck Farnham's HyperCard Smut Stack, from the auspicious journalistic production "Geraldo: Sex in the 90's. From Computer Porn to Fax Foxes"! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42571845 DonHopkins 6 months ago | parent | context | favorite | on: ASCII porn predates the Internet but it's still ev... Then you would have loved the HyperCard Smut Stack, the first…

Gems of computing history like this are what keep me on HN.

Thanks, Don.

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Post by gavinray »

kevinventullo wrote: post #247
lelandfe wrote: post #145

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Yes, it’s your bubble. There are American states still charging people over marijuana. Having grown up Christian I personally know people in their 30s who view psychedelic and heroin users similarly. Those people would have the opposite view of you. Years back, my friend’s parents asked me to stage an intervention for him after they found out he regularly took LSD. He was 19 at the time.

Eh, I’m pretty open-minded to this stuff, but I would also want to stage an intervention if my 19-year-old was regularly taking LSD.

Well, to be pendantic, you can't "regularly" (depending on your definition) consume LSD or any psychedelic.

The 5HT2A tolerance is acute such that you need exponential dosing on consecutive days to achieve equivalent effects.

Some psychedelics like NBOMe are such strong agonists the tolerance duration is 1-2 weeks.

For "standard" psychedelics it's closer to 3-4 days.

Even at the height of my psychedelic-head phase I was using twice a week, and not by choice.

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