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Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by tiahura »

Arainach wrote: post #61
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Productivity per capita is dramatically up since the 1970s. Wages are flat. Employers are greedy and short sighted. Employers would rather pay more to hire someone new who doesn't know their business than give a raise to an existing employee who's doing well. They're not going to pay someone more because they're more productive, they'll pay them the same and punish anyone who can't meet the new quota.

Now, imagine a 70s - present where the labor supply curve didn’t didn’t massively shift because of women and foreign trade.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by sampullman »

zozbot234 wrote: post #32
scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

> undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) This is not an AI thing, plenty of "mid-level" C++ developers could have made that same mistake. New code should not be written in C++. (I do wonder how Claude AI does when coding Rust, where at least you can be pretty sure that your code will work once it compiles successfully…

It does alright with Rust, but you can't assume it works as intended if it compiles successfully. The issue with current AI when solving complex or large scale coding problems is usually not syntax, it's logical issues and poor abstraction. Rust is great, but the borrow checker doesn't protect you from that.

I'm able to use AI for Rust code a lot more now than 6 months ago, but it's still common to have it spit out something decent looking, but not quite there. Sometimes re-prompting fixes all the issues, but it's pretty frustrating when it doesn't.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by seadan83 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #63
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jobs that will never come back.

> a massive offshoring of software jobs Where have I heard this before? The drawbacks of offshoring are well known by now and AI does not really mitigate them to any extent.

So many of the drawbacks have been mitigated at this point too. Offshore teams are well organized, have their own managers, orgs, the offshore talent has really grown in ths last few decades with many excellent engineers, and remote/async work has become a first class citizen now. Despite offshore getting way better, the US jobs market in IT has not collapsed.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by dandaka »

WXLCKNO wrote: post #8
imperialdrive wrote: post #3

Finally gave Claude a go after trying OpenAI a while and feeling pretty _meh_ about the coding ability... Wow, it's a whole other level or two ahead, at least for my daily flavor which is PowerShell. No way a double-digit amount of jobs aren't at stake. This stuff feels like it is really starting to take off. Incredible time to be in tech, but you gotta be clever and work hard every day to stay on the ride. Many folk…

I've been trying every flavor of AI powered development and after trying Claude Code for two days with an API key, I upgraded to the full Max 20x plan. Cursor, Windsurf, Roo Code / Cline, they're fine but nothing feels as thorough and useful to me as Claude Code. The Codex CLI from OpenAI is not bad either, there's just something satisfying about the LLM straight up using the CLI

Claude Code works surprisingly well and is also cheaper, compared to Windsurf and Cline + Sonnet 4. The rate of errors dropped dramatically for my side projects, from "I have to check most changes" to "I have not written a line".

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by zozbot234 »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #79
MostlyStable wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history. It's not universal and it's not instantaneous, but the base level assumption should be that increases in productivity will lead to increases in wages in the long run and we should have specific reasons why it won't happen for a given case to believe otherwise.

> For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history Historically, increased productivity has almost literally never increased wages or benefits without worker uprisings Seriously look into the history of labor and automation

You could easily rephrase that as "Historically, worker uprisings have almost literally never increased wages or benefits, absent increased productivity" and it would be a lot closer to the truth of how automation impacts wages.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by bluefirebrand »

MostlyStable wrote: post #71
Arainach wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Productivity per capita is dramatically up since the 1970s. Wages are flat. Employers are greedy and short sighted. Employers would rather pay more to hire someone new who doesn't know their business than give a raise to an existing employee who's doing well. They're not going to pay someone more because they're more productive, they'll pay them the same and punish anyone who can't meet the new quota.

This is not true. Wages did stagnate from about the mid 70s until about the mid 90s, but median, real wages have been increasing steadily since then [0] [0] https://x.com/LettieriDC/status/1922704140834099370

Sounds like wages are about 20 years removed where they should be then, since cost of living didn't exactly stagnate for 20 years

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by theptip »

Anthropic is the most open of the major labs; RSP, actual model cards, and they publish their red teaming results.

C.f. openAI who released o3 and didn’t publish any model card or safety eval at all, their justification being “it’s not GA, only the top paid subscription can use it”. That’s not how safety works.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by MostlyStable »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #86
MostlyStable wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. Wages did stagnate from about the mid 70s until about the mid 90s, but median, real wages have been increasing steadily since then [0] [0] https://x.com/LettieriDC/status/1922704140834099370

Sounds like wages are about 20 years removed where they should be then, since cost of living didn't exactly stagnate for 20 years

"Real" as opposed to "nominal" in this context means inflation adjusted, which means that wages have been increasing faster than inflation for 30 years. Now, it is true that some components of cost of living, most notably housing, have (especially in particular regions) also increased in cost faster than the general inflation level. But that's not due to some inherent breakdown between productivity and wages. It's due to a series of bad policy and development choices mostly in cities.

So if you want to have that discussion, that's fine, but it's totally separate from the original discussion about productivity and wages.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by charcircuit »

kbos87 wrote: post #49
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI? I am already massively more productive at work using AI. I'm not getting paid more, and I'm not working fewer hours. The road we are headed down is one where all of the economic benefits go straight to the owning class.

You need to switch jobs in order to get paid at market rate. Companies have found that they do not need to keep up with the market rate to retain employees.
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