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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by MostlyStable »

Arainach wrote: post #61
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Productivity per capita is dramatically up since the 1970s. Wages are flat. Employers are greedy and short sighted. Employers would rather pay more to hire someone new who doesn't know their business than give a raise to an existing employee who's doing well. They're not going to pay someone more because they're more productive, they'll pay them the same and punish anyone who can't meet the new quota.

This is not true. Wages did stagnate from about the mid 70s until about the mid 90s, but median, real wages have been increasing steadily since then [0]

[0] https://x.com/LettieriDC/status/1922704140834099370

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by steveklabnik »

JoeMattie wrote: post #50
wellthisisgreat wrote: post #26

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hey can you explain the appeal of Claude Code vs Cursor? I know the context window part and Cursor RAG-ing it, but isn't IDE integration a a true force multiplier? Or does Claude Code do something similar with "send to chat" / smart (Cursor's TAB feature) autocomplete etc.? I fired it up but it seemed like just Claude in terminal with a lot more manual copy-pasting expected? I tried all the usual suspects in AI-assis…

I would also like to know this. I've only very briefly looked into Claude code and I may just not understand how I'm supposed to be using it. I currently use cursor with Claude 4 Sonnet (thinking) in agent mode and it is absolutely crushing it. Last night i had it refactor some Django / react / vite / Postgres code for me to speed up data loading over websocket and it managed to: - add binary websocket support via a…

If you use VS: Code, install the plugin, and run Claude code from the terminal, you get the same experience as Cursor.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by mjr00 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #51
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jobs that will never come back.

The USA has "presently" been offshoring software development jobs since around 2001.

I remember, because the same type of people dooming about AI were also telling me, a university student at the time, that I shouldn't get into software development, because salaries would cap out at $50k/year due to competition with low-cost offshore developers in India and Bangladesh.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by phamilton »

scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

(not trolling) Would that undefined behavior have occurred in idiomatic rust?

Will the ability to use AI to write such a solution correctly be enough motivation to push C++ shops to adopt rust? (Or perhaps a new language that caters to the blindspots of AI somehow)

There will absolutely be a tipping point where the potential benefits outweigh the costs of such a migration.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by mjr00 »

kbos87 wrote: post #49
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI? I am already massively more productive at work using AI. I'm not getting paid more, and I'm not working fewer hours. The road we are headed down is one where all of the economic benefits go straight to the owning class.

Why would your employer pay you more for using Python/Java/JavaScript? You're massively more productive when using those languages instead of C for many common development tasks.

Did the introduction of Python drastically reduce software developer salaries?

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by steveklabnik »

zozbot234 wrote: post #32
scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

> undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) This is not an AI thing, plenty of "mid-level" C++ developers could have made that same mistake. New code should not be written in C++. (I do wonder how Claude AI does when coding Rust, where at least you can be pretty sure that your code will work once it compiles successfully…

I use Claude Code with Rust regularly and am very happy with it.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by zer00eyz »

kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

> and a pretty short view of history

Great lets see an example!

> To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accrue to a thin layer of people at the top isn't a speculation at this point - it's a bold faced lie.

Except that innovation has lead to more jobs, new industries, and more prosperity and fewer working hours. The stark example of this: you arent a farmer: https://modernsurvivalblog.com/systemic-risk/98-percent-of-a...

Your shirts arent a weeks or a months income: https://www.bookandsword.com/2017/12/09/how-much-did-a-shirt...

Go back to the 1960's when automation was new. It was an expensive, long running failure for GM to put in those first robotic arms. Today there are people who have CNC shops in their garage. The cost of starting that business up is in the same price range as the pickup truck you might put in there. You no longer need accountants, payroll, and your not spending as much time doing these things yourself its all software. You dont need to have a retail location, or wholesale channels, build your website, app, leverage marketplaces and social media. The reality is that it is cheaper and easier than ever to be your own business... and lots of people are figuring this out and thriving.

> Do we really think that most of the American economy is just going to downshift

No I think my fellow Americans are going to scream and cry and hold on to dying ways of life -- See coal miners.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by seadan83 »

uhhhhhhh wrote: post #52
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Companies are actively not hiring expecting AI to compensate and still have growth. I have seen these same companies giving smaller raises and less promotions, and eliminate junior positions. The endgame isn't more employees or paying them more. It's paying less people or no skilled people when possible. That's a fairly massive disruption.

We're just 3 years after a giant hiring binge, a similar amount of time post zero interest rates, the US economy has been threatening recession for two years, and economic uncertainty is very high, and post Covid had a glut of junior engineers coming onto the market. Between all of these plausible explanations for why hiring is way down, is there macro economic evidence it really is AI and not anything else?

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by bluefirebrand »

MostlyStable wrote: post #65
kbos87 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI? I am already massively more productive at work using AI. I'm not getting paid more, and I'm not working fewer hours. The road we are headed down is one where all of the economic benefits go straight to the owning class.

For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history. It's not universal and it's not instantaneous, but the base level assumption should be that increases in productivity will lead to increases in wages in the long run and we should have specific reasons why it won't happen for a given case to believe otherwise.

> For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history

Historically, increased productivity has almost literally never increased wages or benefits without worker uprisings

Seriously look into the history of labor and automation

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by MostlyStable »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #79
MostlyStable wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history. It's not universal and it's not instantaneous, but the base level assumption should be that increases in productivity will lead to increases in wages in the long run and we should have specific reasons why it won't happen for a given case to believe otherwise.

> For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history Historically, increased productivity has almost literally never increased wages or benefits without worker uprisings Seriously look into the history of labor and automation

Cool. What worker uprising occurred in the US in 1995? I (and basically every economist) disagree with your interpretation of historical events.

https://x.com/LettieriDC/status/1922704140834099370

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