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Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by Arainach »

zozbot234 wrote: post #47
kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Productivity per capita is dramatically up since the 1970s. Wages are flat. Employers are greedy and short sighted.

Employers would rather pay more to hire someone new who doesn't know their business than give a raise to an existing employee who's doing well. They're not going to pay someone more because they're more productive, they'll pay them the same and punish anyone who can't meet the new quota.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by falcor84 »

bearjaws wrote: post #45
pixl97 wrote: post #30

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"Dinosaurs have been around 100 million years and they will be around 100 million more" --Dinosaurs 65.1 million years ago.

Pretty bad example, maybe something more like "Horses have been working for thousands of years -- horse in 1927".

How are the two examples different? In both cases the extrapolation was a reasonable bet that ended with a bust, due to a "black swan" event, no? Taleb himself would say that we should always try to include black swans in our predictions, but it's really difficult to do.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by zozbot234 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #51
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

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"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jobs that will never come back.

> a massive offshoring of software jobs

Where have I heard this before? The drawbacks of offshoring are well known by now and AI does not really mitigate them to any extent.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by falcor84 »

dsign wrote: post #16
fmbb wrote: post #12

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We have only been selling our labor for a couple of hundred years. Humanity has been around for hundreds of thousands of years. We will manage. Hey, we can always eat the rich!

>> we can always eat the rich! As long as they are not made out of silicon....

And even then, we could perhaps genetically engineer ourselves to metabolize silicon.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by MostlyStable »

kbos87 wrote: post #49
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

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"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI? I am already massively more productive at work using AI. I'm not getting paid more, and I'm not working fewer hours. The road we are headed down is one where all of the economic benefits go straight to the owning class.

For the same reasons that, on average and in general, increases in productivity have lead to increases in wages across history. It's not universal and it's not instantaneous, but the base level assumption should be that increases in productivity will lead to increases in wages in the long run and we should have specific reasons why it won't happen for a given case to believe otherwise.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kbos87 wrote: post #49
zozbot234 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Massive disruption" of what kind? Current AI abilities make white-collar work more productive and potentially higher-paid, not less.

Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI? I am already massively more productive at work using AI. I'm not getting paid more, and I'm not working fewer hours. The road we are headed down is one where all of the economic benefits go straight to the owning class.

> Why would my employer pay me more for using their AI?

We’re on HN. AI makes it easier for you to disrupt your employer.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by WXLCKNO »

JoeMattie wrote: post #50
wellthisisgreat wrote: post #26

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hey can you explain the appeal of Claude Code vs Cursor? I know the context window part and Cursor RAG-ing it, but isn't IDE integration a a true force multiplier? Or does Claude Code do something similar with "send to chat" / smart (Cursor's TAB feature) autocomplete etc.? I fired it up but it seemed like just Claude in terminal with a lot more manual copy-pasting expected? I tried all the usual suspects in AI-assis…

I would also like to know this. I've only very briefly looked into Claude code and I may just not understand how I'm supposed to be using it. I currently use cursor with Claude 4 Sonnet (thinking) in agent mode and it is absolutely crushing it. Last night i had it refactor some Django / react / vite / Postgres code for me to speed up data loading over websocket and it managed to: - add binary websocket support via a…

My best comparison is that it's like MacBooks/iPhones etc.

Apple builds both the hardware and the software so it feels harmonious and well optimized.

Anthropic build the model and the tool and it just works, although sonnet 4 in cursor is good too but if you've got the 20$ plan often you're crippled on context size (not sure if that's true with sonnet 4 specifically).

I had actually heard about the OpenAI Codex CLI before Claude Code and had the same thought initially, not understanding the appeal.

Give it a shot and maybe you'll change your mind, I just tried because of the hype and the hype was right for once.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by ninetyninenine »

This theory that if AI becomes sufficiently advanced and cheap, company productivity will go up and they will in fact need to hire more people because of it is completely false.

If AI becomes sufficiently advanced and cheap productivity will go up and companies will as a result need to hire more AI.

Let’s be clear. If an AI is developed that is equal to a human in intelligence and cheaper than a human to employ capitalism in general is impacted in a major way.

If that happens just pray that robotics doesn’t become sufficiently advanced such that jobs requiring crafting or manual work doesn’t get replaced.

Also to be clear I’m not advocating or saying whether or not any of these things will happen. I am simply saying that hypothetically if AI progresses in a certain way then the following consequence is inevitable.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by autobodie »

kbos87 wrote: post #57
brookst wrote: post #37

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I’m very skeptical of claims that all things will always do this and never do that, etc. IMO Jensen and others don’t know where AI is going any more than the rest of us. Your imaginary dystopia is certainly possible, but I would warn against having complete conviction it is the only possible outcome.

Fair point and I absolutely acknowledge that the future AI will usher in is still very much an unknown. I do think it's worth recognizing that there is one part of the story that is very predictable because it's happened over and over again - the part where some sort of innovation creates new efficiencies and advantages. I think it's fair to debate the extent to which AI will completely disrupt the white collar worki…

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Post by pepinator »

mistrial9 wrote: post #44
pepinator wrote: post #29

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This is where one can notice that LLM are, after all, just stochastic parrots. If we don't have a reliable way to systematically test their outputs, I don't see many jobs being replaced by AI either.

> just stochastic parrots this is flatly false for two reasons -- one is that all LLMs are not equal. The models and capacities are quite different, by design. Secondly a large number of standardized LLM testing, tests for sequence of logic or other "reasoning" capacity. Stating the fallacy of stochastic parrots is basically proof of not looking at the battery of standardized tests that are common in LLM development.

Even if not all LLMs are equal, almost all of them are based on the same base model: transformers. So the general idea is always the same: predict the next token. It becomes more obvious when you try to use LLMs to solve things that you can't find in internet (even if they're simple).

And the testing does not always work. You can be sure that only 80% of the time it will be really really correct, and that forces you to check everything. Of course, using LLMs makes you faster for some tasks, and the fact that they are able to do so much is super impressive, but that's it.

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