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Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by daveguy »

neogodless wrote: post #90
brookst wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t see the person you’re replying to ever mention Microsoft. It seems weird to accuse them of hypocrisy?

This is a very valid criticism of my post and many that group "opinions" as if they come from a single source. Here, the top-voted comment is OK with Apple software phoning home, but there's no evidence they are not equally OK with Microsoft software phoning home, so I'm contrasting this popular opinion with another popular opinion elsewhere. Here's one example from a different user, where Microsoft is described as "…

Microsoft put ads in their OS menus. Kindof a stretch to "both sides" this one.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by os2warpman »

owebmaster wrote: post #52
jbrooks84 wrote: post #49

Is this the first time you are monitoring traffic of any modern consumer devices connected to the Internet?

Have you tried GNU/Linux?

I've tried to use it as my daily driver multiple times since 1997 but ultimately for me personally and the security posture I have chosen to adopt the utility of being able to copy and paste from my phone to my desktop without having to deploy and secure my own infrastructure outweighs any paranoiac doomsday delusions someone may try to implant in my mind.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by dev_hugepages »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #99
ZeroTalent wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look into the app Little Snitch. It's fantastic! https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html I'm unaffiliated with the owners.

Second Little Snitch. > NOTE: Corporate IT departments no likee Little Snitch.

Do you have a story to tell us?

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by j_w »

PinguTS wrote: post #59
jjmarr wrote: post #53

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Is it even a push notification if you have to fetch them from a server?

How do you think push should work? Any push service works this way. The client contacts the server to be updated. The server gives a no data or a data response. The server cannot magically contact the client.

Well, the server could contact the client. The client would just need to be listening on a port/address that the server knows. Which is completely infeasible for 99.99% of end user devices.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by lapcat »

yaris wrote: post #97
lapcat wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an extremely uncharitable interpretation of the article. The number was just intended to illustrate the amount of communication that occurs.

The amount of communications would be better illustrated by the number of connections made in a period of time, maybe complemented with the amount of data transferred up/down. Making a 1000 connections towards one domain name with different URLs does not fundamentally differ from making 1000 connections each towards a separate domain name (which names can be the same server, just with a bunch of IPs).

You seem to be assuming that the author set out from the beginning to measure scientifically the amount of communication that occurs. What is much more likely is that the author's DNS provider, NextDNS, provided this information, and the author simply noticed it.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by mtotheb »

Ardren wrote: post #42

For fun, compare and contrast the comments here to this post on Windows 10 from 5 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44208050

An important variable, the titles of the posts set the stage. That post's title was "Windows 10 _spies_ on your use of System Settings" whereas this one is "My Mac _contacted_ 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use." It would be interesting to, in a month or so when everyone has forgotten this conversation, repost this with a more critical title and see if that reshapes the comments or influences their tone.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by joshstrange »

brookst wrote: post #79
Ardren wrote: post #42

For fun, compare and contrast the comments here to this post on Windows 10 from 5 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44208050

This article: Apple’s OS relies on a lot of services to deliver its features! That article: Microsoft reports every click you make Is that the comparison you’re making?

No.

This article: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

> while not in use

That is not "Apple reports every click you make", _very_ different from Microsoft. These requests seem like they are all for background tasks to keep data up to date when the user goes to use it. Now can you see a difference between that and _reporting_ on what you are doing?

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by pmarreck »

righthand wrote: post #68
jamesy0ung wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is nowhere near as evil as Microsoft, so I’m willing to put up with it.

Apple has been involved in all the same government spying programs as Microsoft. They do not offer any services or products with E2E encryption that they do not control the key too.

But at least they have E2E encryption. The whole point of which is not having the key to.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by pmarreck »

righthand wrote: post #73
neogodless wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

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