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Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by neogodless »

al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

When Microsoft has telemetry:

* Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby!

When Apple has telemetry:

* It's working as expected.

So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by jjmarr »

al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Is it even a push notification if you have to fetch them from a server?

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by mark_l_watson »

As so many other people have also said, many Apple services like iCloud sync require a lot of network I/O. I use two iPads, one with 64G of storage and the other with 1 terabyte of storage. Applications and data frequently get offloaded and reloaded on my old iPad.

I appreciate hand-off, and accept the overhead for supporting that.

Most data is encrypted at rest on Apple's servers and during transport. Check their documentation.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by this_user »

Apple is the new Microsoft. They have pretty much saturated their target market. And since there is nothing much new to do, teams justify their existence in the org by changing existing things and adding unneeded functionalities that ultimately make the user experience progressively worse.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

npteljes wrote: post #10

Honestly, the list looks legit. Computers nowadays are semi-remotely-managed appliances. Internet is presumed, offline is not first, and offline is absolutely not exclusive. >I have been trying to minimize to the extent possible the reach of big tech into my life. I don't think this goal is possible, or worthwhile, on a big tech offering like a Mac + macOS. It can certainly be tried, but the user needs to be prepared…

As a counterpoint -

There are a lot of Apple services that get contacted because they can be contacted, not because they need to be. For example, I don’t use Home/HomeKit but it phones home to Apple several times a day if I allow it. The same with Apple News, Weather, etc.

You can prevent this in various ways but not out of box.

It’s possible to run macOS without an Internet connection. I value this, but it’s impractical and unnecessary for most people and most environments.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by ath92 »

al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Regular users don’t think of push notifications as something that needs to go through some central server owned by Apple. If Alice sends Bob a message, shouldn’t that require only their phones to communicate with one another, without some third party?

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by SkyeCA »

owebmaster wrote: post #52
jbrooks84 wrote: post #49

Is this the first time you are monitoring traffic of any modern consumer devices connected to the Internet?

Have you tried GNU/Linux?

Given the state of modern tech enthusiasts? The answer for many is likely no, no they have not.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by PinguTS »

jjmarr wrote: post #53
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Is it even a push notification if you have to fetch them from a server?

How do you think push should work?

Any push service works this way. The client contacts the server to be updated. The server gives a no data or a data response. The server cannot magically contact the client.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by jamesy0ung »

neogodless wrote: post #51
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

Apple is nowhere near as evil as Microsoft, so I’m willing to put up with it.
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