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Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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Wouldn't the fourth way be via increasing either birth rate or immigration?

Raising immigration rates to solve an aging population is a Ponzi solution.

The pension system has always been a ponzi. Only now we are faced to realise it because the pyramid was flipped violently.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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The best phrase I read by someone. "Retirement is a financial goal - it has nothing to do with age". And this makes huge sense...

well in this context it generally means the age someone starts to receive state pension.

Yes. But the wider meaning is - you are in control

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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2 has some options. Increase the number of (young) immigrants. Increase the birthrate (has anywhere managed this?).

Mormons and Amish have above replacement fertility rates. Millionaires in western countries also have above replacement fertility rates. To me it seems rather obvious: you need both the will and the means to raise 3+ children.

I’m not sure it’s about having the “means”, since birth rates were far higher in the past when everybody was much poorer.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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A 99.9% wealth tax on US billionaires would cover the annual deficit for about 1.5 years. The scale of the problem is absolutely mind-blowing.

US annual deficit/debt is a meaningless number since it just prints as much money as it needs being the world reserve currency. It's a looney toons number.

This really isn't true. I am not deficit doomer, but you can't say its meaningless. The US paid $881 billion on interest on its debt last year. This is on par with the DoD. Yes, it's still only around a tenth of the US's total budget, but it is not hard to imagine the debt going up by 10 times. With the same interest rates, we then the US will pay as much in interest as the rest of the budget combined. If the US just needs to "print as much money as it needs", there is a certain point at which it will become hyperinflationary.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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What is the political incentive to do this ever?

My thinking was, cutting taxes via budget reconciliation (which is the only process the currently paralyzed legislature can do) requires some hand waving deference to the notion of being revenue neutral by the Byrd rule, so cuts to social programs or rollbacks of government spending have been increasingly included as a way to get tax cuts. Tax cuts fund your donors who fund your reelection campaign. But, I just looke…

The income part of SS is more or less subsistence level, which arguably was its intention to keep the elderly from begging in the streets. But in the dystopian US healthcare system, Medicare is arguably the more important part of the social net. Without it, you are not going to afford any healthcare in old age.

If this budget hits the PAYGO limits, which is basically guaranteed, that will trigger automatic cuts to Medicare, so they can backdoor cut the program without anybody voting for that.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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It's utterly insane that people need to work more and longer as technology increases productivity. A truly dystopian economic system. In 1930 Keynes projected that by 2000 their grandchildren could work 15 hours per week¹. Now the projection is that we will work more and longer in the future. And what is this labor supposed to even do? How much of even current work really increases wellbeing? Graeber's thesis of bull…

Yes, that's what strikes me as well. Where is the productivity gains going? Why are we still working 40 hour weeks, and possibly even for many more years? If I remember correctly, Denmark even removed a holiday recently. So work more days a year as well. That's the problem here. That a few people reap all the benefits of this, while the rest of us toil.

> Where is the productivity gains going?

I wonder what a good answer would be here. Intuitively we are increasing productivity in activities that does not increase social welfare. Take corporate lawyering, marketing as an example.

Re: Denmark to raise retirement age to 70

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There are quite a few highly paid professions where the main purpose of that profession’s union seems to be to prevent there being an adequate supply of the professionals.

Is that what’s happening here?

It's happening everywhere, and it's completely intentional.
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