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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by ReptileMan »

jmclnx wrote: post #265
ReptileMan wrote: post #232

Trump was elected roughly on 3 issues - economy, immigration and culture war. So he has to deliver at least on two to have meaningful legacy. Because of the idiocy around tariffs - the economy at the midterms will be at best slightly above where he got it. So it leaves immigration and culture war. The border crossings are way down - so halfway there, but deporting meaningful numbers will be hard. Which means that he…

No :) The 3 issues are 1. Racism 2. Racism 3. Racism

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-decline-of-the-democrat...

If you are right - then it seems that racism is quite broadly popular among all ethnic groups in USA because Trump made inroads with everyone.

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Post by bastardoperator »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #104
baggachipz wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, you're an easily-duped sucker of a customer and deserve to lose your money.

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What does tearing down Harvard achieve again? What does punishing visitors to our country who are law abiding achieve again? Clearly it mentions these students can transfer, so all of the little benefits you dreamt up inside your head are dead on arrival. Your perpetual victimhood has a shelf life, hurting everyone you don't like because they're not from here when this country is founded on the ideas of immigrations... you never understood the plot.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego.

This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to haunt him, and America on top of all the other stuff America is doing to the world.

America first is rapidly becoming America alone.

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Post by scoofy »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #102
scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

The problems at Harvard and other high ed organizations are real. They've become pretty unhinged and concentrated, they really need to work on getting back to "open forum for discussing all ideas" rather than the "Open forum for discussing all correct ideas" that they have drifted into. I can see it first hand through my mother, who works at a major school. That being said, republicans decided to chose an M1 Abrams t…

That isn't actually relevant to the policy being discussed.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

baggle wrote: post #237
lupusreal wrote: post #191

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This is one part of a large pattern of Republicans trying to end-run around the First Ammendment specifically to defend Israel from criticism. For instance, in Texas they make school teachers sign contracts that include terms forbidding criticism of Israel. Republicans have also been extremely reliable supporters of unconstitutional Anti-BDS laws. Make no mistake, the Republican party (and half the Democratic Party F…

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> if you replace "Zionist" with "Jew" you're at Goebbels levels of antisemitism

This is a weird statement. It seems to suggest this as a reason not to criticize Zionists but if you replace "fascist" with "Jew" you're in a similar situation and that doesn't mean people shouldn't criticize fascists.

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Post by dragonwriter »

fullstop wrote: post #244
IAmBroom wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The government has already revoked student visas, the next step is deporting them to El Salvador.

Or Libya [0] or .

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/09/libya-deport...

[1] e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/20/trump-admini...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by [deleted] »

therouwboat wrote: post #219
Workaccount2 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problems at Harvard and other high ed organizations are real. They've become pretty unhinged and concentrated, they really need to work on getting back to "open forum for discussing all ideas" rather than the "Open forum for discussing all correct ideas" that they have drifted into. I can see it first hand through my mother, who works at a major school. That being said, republicans decided to chose an M1 Abrams t…

But Trump adminstration is so much worse here, they ban stuff based on word lists and kick people with wrong ideas out of the country.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

ceejayoz wrote: post #221
thaumasiotes wrote: post #215

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Because they accidentally sent at least one person there already? Who remains there, despite SCOTUS ordering his return? https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf > Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” > The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his c…

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Post by alephnerd »

Jtsummers wrote: post #280
alephnerd wrote: post #245

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> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists [0][1][2] The other universities like Dartmouth, MIT, and public university systems did. One of the side effect of being large endowment private universities meant Harvard and Yale remained extremely insular and concentrated on donor relations over government…

Dartmouth is a smaller target without the name recognition of Harvard, and MIT has stronger ties to the MIC without the strong public image of a liberal institution. Harvard is a test case (what can this admin do) and a symbol almost in its own category for Trump's followers.

Harvard (the University, not it's alums) has had a near nil presence on K-Street for a looooong time - and their primary lobbyist with the GOP has been on Trump's bad side for sometime after he pissed off David Sacks.

I'm also an (severely disillusioned) alumni of some of the student orgs that are mutually using Harvard the institution as a punching bag to fight their culture wars.

A lot of this is honestly very childish BS done by some petulant alums who were already dicks on campus.

There is very little campus loyalty at Harvard which makes it easier to use it as a punching bag for your culture war (whichever way you lean).

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Post by cosmicgadget »

josefritzishere wrote: post #101

I find Trump's behavior to be incoherent. In some quarters he's virtually an anarcho-capitalist. In others, like this, he's anti-capitalist, intensely regulating a private business for no actual benefit.

He doesn't conform to a political ideology, everything he does is for personal benefit/gratification and punishing his enemies. In this case Harvard didn't capitulate to his oversight demands.
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