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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by losteric »

HenryBemis wrote: post #188
zombiwoof wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Project 2025 is about uneducated people now having power and trying to stop other people from becoming educated

I downloaded the file (must still be somewhere in my "Downloads" folder with many other forever-unread PDFs). I would suggest for anyone living in the US, to find and read that because this is (more or less) what will happen in the/your country in the next 3.5 years. (if I remember well it's 150-170 pages - and since I don't live in the US the meme "Ain't Nobody Got Time for That" is spot on).

Project 2025 is only the “part 1” doc, and they’re tracking to wrap most of it up this year.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by couchdb_ouchdb »

HenryBemis wrote: post #188
zombiwoof wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Project 2025 is about uneducated people now having power and trying to stop other people from becoming educated

I downloaded the file (must still be somewhere in my "Downloads" folder with many other forever-unread PDFs). I would suggest for anyone living in the US, to find and read that because this is (more or less) what will happen in the/your country in the next 3.5 years. (if I remember well it's 150-170 pages - and since I don't live in the US the meme "Ain't Nobody Got Time for That" is spot on).

You don't need to read the file. It's history repeating itself. Just read about China during the cultural revolution or Cambodia during the 70s.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by dragonwriter »

semiquaver wrote: post #81
ceejayoz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

This is not the same issue. Judges can be fast, but not that fast. Both the decision and this action against Harvard happened within an hour of eachother.

> This is not the same issue.

It is not, but it isn't unrelated; this is about the individual actions for which Harvard's refusal to assist by proactively supplying information is the basis for the action against Harvard.

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Post by tremon »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #215
mperham wrote: post #192

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It doesn’t matter, the damage is done. If you’re an international student, are you going to risk an El Salvador gulag?

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Why would you presume that risk is nonexistent? US residents with a better legal position than a student visa have already been sent there.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by alecst »

HenryBemis wrote: post #188
zombiwoof wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Project 2025 is about uneducated people now having power and trying to stop other people from becoming educated

I downloaded the file (must still be somewhere in my "Downloads" folder with many other forever-unread PDFs). I would suggest for anyone living in the US, to find and read that because this is (more or less) what will happen in the/your country in the next 3.5 years. (if I remember well it's 150-170 pages - and since I don't live in the US the meme "Ain't Nobody Got Time for That" is spot on).

It's around 900 pages. In NYC we have a study group to go over it -- we've covered just a handful of chapters. But most people can get a lot out of just reading the opening section.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-202...

You can understand, for example, most of their tactics about immigration by reading the section on Homeland Security, tariffs by reading the Economy section (by Peter Navarro), and so on. They are in fact hewing pretty closely to the plan.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

yongjik wrote: post #30
ty6853 wrote: post #26

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The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. It will quietly be done, although likely in a way that make it look as if Harvard hasn't.

Maybe, but I doubt it. Trump is not a mafia boss - time after time he showed that his words cannot be trusted. If Harvard makes a concession, there's no guarantee that Trump will "forgive" it. Look how China is dealing with Trump. Trump announces tariffs, China returns Boeing planes, tariffs somehow comes down.

> Trump is not a mafia boss - time after time he showed that his words cannot be trusted. If Harvard makes a concession, there's no guarantee that Trump will "forgive" it.

> Look how China is dealing with Trump. Trump announces tariffs, China returns Boeing planes, tariffs somehow comes down.

Doesn't this example make the opposite of your point?

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Post by dionian »

ty6853 wrote: post #26
achristmascarl wrote: post #25

I wonder what avenues there are for Harvard to challenge this; it looks like the mechanism the Trump Admin used was for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to cancel Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification [0] which is managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) [1]. Does ICE just have full discretion over SEVP? Can they do this to any school for whatever reason they want? […

The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. It will quietly be done, although likely in a way that make it look as if Harvard hasn't.

'ratting out' how? this implies they did something wrong

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Post by hackyhacky »

baggle wrote: post #237
lupusreal wrote: post #191

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This is one part of a large pattern of Republicans trying to end-run around the First Ammendment specifically to defend Israel from criticism. For instance, in Texas they make school teachers sign contracts that include terms forbidding criticism of Israel. Republicans have also been extremely reliable supporters of unconstitutional Anti-BDS laws. Make no mistake, the Republican party (and half the Democratic Party F…

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> if you replace "Zionist" with "Jew"

I've never understood this kind of argument. If I replace "Zionist" with "elf", then the anti-Zionist movement would be anti-elf! Oh no!

Except that no one is replacing anything. The anti-Zionist movement is exactly that: anti-Zionist.

Antisemitism is real and a problem, but it's not the same thing.

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Post by Jtsummers »

alephnerd wrote: post #245
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists [0][1][2] The other universities like Dartmouth, MIT, and public university systems did. One of the side effect of being large endowment private universities meant Harvard and Yale remained extremely insular and concentrated on donor relations over government…

Dartmouth is a smaller target without the name recognition of Harvard, and MIT has stronger ties to the MIC without the strong public image of a liberal institution. Harvard is a test case (what can this admin do) and a symbol almost in its own category for Trump's followers.
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