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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by morkalork »

dragontamer wrote: post #70
scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

> We’d be much better off with a president Vance. Vance literally defended the eating cats and dogs lie during the debate. The entire fucking point of this platform is to fuck the immigrants, legal or otherwise. Or is this actually a surprise to anyone with half a brain?

His defense of those lies was incredible. According to him, it is perfectly fine to make up and repeat fabrications because they advanced the narrative they wanted to push, full stop. The truth doesn't matter, no regrets.

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Post by fzeroracer »

jleyank wrote: post #108

What will the HN crowd do when Y Combinator's banned from foreign participants?

The HN crowd here? A mixture of 'I told you so' posts, some fascists posting with glee that their perceived enemies are getting kicked in the knees and probably a few centrists desperately still trying to find a way to spin it in a positive manner.

The people running Y Combinator? They'll donate a few million to the Trump fund, maybe donate a jet or two and hope that gets him to stop for a little bit while claiming this 'isn't what we stand for' and 'i can't believe this happened (to us)'.

Make no mistake, they have no problem with these decisions until it has direct and material impact on them. That's why they invite the people directly responsible for this to their AI Startup school and give them privileged speaking opportunities. They don't care nor do they think that far into the future. Hell, you can go to the AI startup school page now and see them sharing the AI Ghibli shit [1]

[1] https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus

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Post by firesteelrain »

ceejayoz wrote: post #174
Boogie_Man wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way would you like to hold them responsible? If there are reprisals for voting, do we live in a liberal democracy? Edit: If by "hold responsible" you mean "be mad at them" then yes, of course you can, I can't read a comment section that isn't mostly that, and you knew that before making this comment.

> In what way would you like to hold them responsible? Being shamed into a little introspection wouldn't hurt.

This goes both ways.

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Post by yongjik »

lupusreal wrote: post #139
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by miffel »

vaidhy wrote: post #134
miffel wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if it was a decision made by Harvard after serious deliberation and years of prep one could try to argue in good faith about the possible positive effects. Since this seems to be retaliation by the current admin due to Harvard's resistance to turning over vast amounts of records on intl. students... I think people are being less optimistic. I am curious, what do you think is beneficial about this? Please feel fr…

Maybe they think Harvard will replace international students with american ones? Poor foreign workers are taking away our jobs, and rich foreign students are taking away our education argument??

I almost preempted this argument in my comment! You are raising what I believe will be the spin for a lot of people. Ultimately I'll just say that intl. students enrich the intellectual experience and breadth within Harvard, for all students. But somehow I think that argument will fall flat for the people who are already trying to find justifications for this move.

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

HEmanZ wrote: post #21

I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.

It's not even clear that higher education produces liberals. Half of Trump-land went to Ivy Leagues.

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Post by xemoka »

sillyfluke wrote: post #50
HEmanZ wrote: post #21

I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.

Waterloo, McGill, and U of Toronto admissions offices should be spending the entire day tomorrow calling the full international Harvard roster ASAP.

If Canada wasn't having it's own immigration and post-secondary issues, this would be great. But no, we already shot ourselves in the foot with that...

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Post by HenryBemis »

zombiwoof wrote: post #158
archagon wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Project 2025 people and the Yarvinists agree that elite universities like Harvard are spreading the “woke mind virus” and must be destroyed. They consider their movements a revolution, not an iteration on the status quo.

Project 2025 is about uneducated people now having power and trying to stop other people from becoming educated

I downloaded the file (must still be somewhere in my "Downloads" folder with many other forever-unread PDFs). I would suggest for anyone living in the US, to find and read that because this is (more or less) what will happen in the/your country in the next 3.5 years.

(if I remember well it's 150-170 pages - and since I don't live in the US the meme "Ain't Nobody Got Time for That" is spot on).

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Post by wat10000 »

mrtksn wrote: post #110
HEmanZ wrote: post #21

I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.

The action by itself comes as a punishment which imply that this is indeed great resource but because Harvard was a naughty boy means that can't have it. I want to note that when Brexit happened EU citizens had about 2 years period to move to UK and just like that get their full rights there and those with enough years of stay had the right to obtain British citizenship. Streamlined process through scanning your id u…

Even if it stopped immediately, we'll still get a lot fewer of these people. The US is now a country where anonymous government thugs can snatch foreigners off the street and put them in jail for saying the wrong things. Even if we stop doing that today, what's to say we won't start it up again at any time? Who's going to risk that just to go to an American university? Our universities are good but not that good.

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Post by shiandow »

squigz wrote: post #149
Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

I'm a bit confused what you're suggesting here. In what way should people be "held responsible for the actions of representatives"?

That does sound a bit iffy. Not to mention that the ability to vote for who you want without repercussions is rather important to a democracy.

Of course if someone loudly states who they voted for they should not be surprised someone else calls them out on it. After all what is voluntarily giving up anonymity, if not an act of support?

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