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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by semiquaver »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

This is not the same issue. Judges can be fast, but not that fast. Both the decision and this action against Harvard happened within an hour of eachother.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by ty6853 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #65
kristjansson wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe they've taken a different tactic here - attacking Harvard's ability to enroll international students, not the students' status directly.

The article states "existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status"; this injunction would appear to pause that.

The semester is already over, many of them went home. They'll simply be refused when they try to come back.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Aperocky »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

Are they not?

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by hangonhn »

sillyfluke wrote: post #50
HEmanZ wrote: post #21

I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.

Waterloo, McGill, and U of Toronto admissions offices should be spending the entire day tomorrow calling the full international Harvard roster ASAP.

Honestly as an American, I would seriously consider how my daughter can go to these top Canadian or EU schools.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by [deleted] »

more_corn wrote: post #35
adamors wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Checks and balances are just words. So yes, they can and will do everything they want.

I mean Harvard will fight back in court. The courts are last bastion. Once the executive branch stops following what the courts order the checks and balances are gone.

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by insane_dreamer »

It's not just enrolling new students:

> In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

So DHS revoked the visas for all existing students at Harvard? That doesn't seem quite possible?

Doesn't give them a timeline either.

The best and the brightest from around the world will prioritize top universities at other countries, and this will damage one of the US' biggest attractions and advantages.

Unbelievable.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by blooalien »

xeromal wrote: post #51
HEmanZ wrote: post #21

I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.

Yeah, getting the worlds top brainiancs and enticing them with a good education and having some of them build their lives here is one of our greatest imports.

"The worlds top brainiacs" were a huge part of what "Made America Great" in the first place. The MAGA "leadership" is doing the exact literal polar opposite of the stated mission of their slogan (and with far more than just education; wrecking the economy, alienating our allies, destroying freedom of speech, enabling and even encouraging pollution [and trying to even mandate it in California apparently] ... the list goes on).

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by neilv »

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here?

I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this.

Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence.

And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For example, getting things done with prestige connections, domestically and internationally. And the international diplomatic goodwill, when children of the world's wealthy and powerful go to prestigious schools in the US.)

Is some other faction at work now, or is it the same people as before? Are the power networks changing? If the distribution of power is changing, is it partly due to someone willing to sacrifice national power from which all parties benefited (and everyone else wasn't expecting that, or wasn't ready to defend against that from within)? Better questions?

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Boogie_Man »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #66

I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

In what way would you like to hold them responsible? If there are reprisals for voting, do we live in a liberal democracy?

Edit: If by "hold responsible" you mean "be mad at them" then yes, of course you can, I can't read a comment section that isn't mostly that, and you knew that before making this comment.

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