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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by lupusreal »

decimalenough wrote: post #169
lupusreal wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think the Trump admin gives a rat's ass about Jews. It's an excuse for legal action, in the same way that "fentanyl" was the excuse for tariffs on Canada.

This is one part of a large pattern of Republicans trying to end-run around the First Ammendment specifically to defend Israel from criticism. For instance, in Texas they make school teachers sign contracts that include terms forbidding criticism of Israel. Republicans have also been extremely reliable supporters of unconstitutional Anti-BDS laws.

Make no mistake, the Republican party (and half the Democratic Party FWIW) is fully captured by the Israel lobby.

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Post by mperham »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

It doesn’t matter, the damage is done. If you’re an international student, are you going to risk an El Salvador gulag?

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Post by marktangotango »

intermerda wrote: post #129
scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

I used to think that the Republican officials just put on a mask and perform kabuki for their Dear Leader. But the signalgate texts proved otherwise. This kind of thinking has penetrated deep into the party. It's not going away. Not with Vance.

The influence and dominance of conservative media is striking. They have sane-washed and explained away things that would have ended 10 other politicians careers. Trump is Asimovs "mule". His appeal to large groups of people is inexplicable. Vance is certainly NOT that. It's open question how much success the Mule's successor would have. Surely momentum and conservative media will carry him far (should that come to pass).

https://newrepublic.com/article/128107/classier-two-evils

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by firesteelrain »

ty6853 wrote: post #82
ceejayoz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article states "existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status"; this injunction would appear to pause that.

The semester is already over, many of them went home. They'll simply be refused when they try to come back.

It’s hard to do an injunction if there is currently no harm.

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Post by pstuart »

tintor wrote: post #75
paxys wrote: post #69

Harvard as an institution is older than the USA. It will survive 4 years of a lunatic's presidency.

or 8+ years

Their goal is for forever+ years.

Shit needs to get ugly fast enough to make the masses take notice or they may just get their way.

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Post by Y-bar »

decimalenough wrote: post #169
lupusreal wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think the Trump admin gives a rat's ass about Jews. It's an excuse for legal action, in the same way that "fentanyl" was the excuse for tariffs on Canada.

You're probably right, they seem to care more about Israel and not Jews (or Palestinians), and especially care about "Israel as a concept" and to use it as a means to an end.

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Post by IAmBroom »

esafak wrote: post #153
lupusreal wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Though I would not have guessed, it seems more about China: "Harvard’s leadership has created an unsafe campus environment by permitting anti-American, pro-terrorist agitators to harass and physically assault individuals, including many Jewish students, and otherwise obstruct its once-venerable learning environment. Many of these agitators are foreign students. Harvard’s leadership further facilitated, and engaged in…

Trump cares less about the Uyghar's than the Jews.

Though I doubt he could find either Israel or China on a map.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by decimalenough »

TrackerFF wrote: post #152
bananapub wrote: post #120

that's underselling it - they're also making it so every single existing interrnational student has to leave the US very soon, and in the meantime can be kidnapped by ICE.

They can (try and) transfer to another college / university. But, I suspect, if suddenly all international students transferred to MIT, the administration would simply do the same to MIT. So it would become one big game of whack-a-mole, and the smaller players would just bend over to the rules. International students are cash cows for some institutions. They wouldn't dare to have that cow put down.

The Trump administration is not targeting the students, they're targeting Harvard. The students are collateral damage.

So transferring to another college will be fine as long as they pick one that has already kowtowed to Trump. And have never posted to social media or taken any action that could be construed as opposition to the policies of the Dear Leader.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

mrtksn wrote: post #110
HEmanZ wrote: post #21

I feel US higher education, which brain drains the rest of the world, is easily one of the best strategic advantages it could have for the next 100 years. Let’s throw that all away because learning is liberal.

The action by itself comes as a punishment which imply that this is indeed great resource but because Harvard was a naughty boy means that can't have it. I want to note that when Brexit happened EU citizens had about 2 years period to move to UK and just like that get their full rights there and those with enough years of stay had the right to obtain British citizenship. Streamlined process through scanning your id u…

> I bet you, if this continues for some more time USA will no longer receive the best and the brightest.

International students are heavily selected for wealth rather than brightness.

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Post by dijksterhuis »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #104
baggachipz wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, you're an easily-duped sucker of a customer and deserve to lose your money.

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> I would much rather that they be knocked down a peg or three, which if it continues long enough might even result in lower prices for domestic students.

When an organization loses a significant portion of it's annual income [0], there's often three main choices on what can be done next [1]

* reduce the quality / variety of services provided -- i.e. cut services, keep prices the same, don't admit more students

* increase prices for remaining "customers" -- i.e. increase prices, don't cut services, don't admit more students

* increase income by getting more paying "customers" -- i.e. don't cut services, don't increase prices, get more domestic students [2]

I struggle to see how you believe this could end up reducing prices for US domestic students for the same quality of education as before... unless your point is to degrade the standing of the educational institution/quality of the education provided so it becomes cheaper...? if that's true, why would you want that?

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[0]: close to a third of annual income in this case "Over 6,700 international students were enrolled at the institution last academic year, university data shows, making up 27% of its student body." -- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

[1]: based on my random experiences and stuff i've read, this is not an exhaustive cite-able statement

[2]: could also take out a loan, but that's basically short-term increasing income

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