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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by theodric »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #828
api wrote: post #722

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If we ever hit a point where nobody is talking about America being in decline, that will mean we are entering decline. I do think we’ve been in a down period when it comes to politics for a while but I am mid to long term optimistic about things getting better. This is not the first time we’ve had crazy massively divisive politics or populist crackpottery. Overall I do not think we are in any kind of terminal decline…

>Google carved out a monopoly on search and they are complete trash now. Google search is only trash to the tech savvy user base, but the normies have no issues with it.

Aren't the normies using ChatGPT to generate something closely resembling plausible answers now, exactly because Google's quality has dipped? Jeez, the normies I know sure are, to a man...

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Post by throwaway2037 »

anonymars wrote: post #608
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Wait till you see how long Cardinal Pizzaballa who was viewed as the most likely Italian contender for the Papacy, has spent in the Holy Land and not Italy.

> Cardinal Pizzaballa Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)

Yeah, his full name is even better: Pierbattista Pizzaballa

Personal motto: Sufficit tibi gratia mea ('My grace is sufficient for you')

This guy is a baller.

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Post by dotancohen »

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I've heard people expressing disappointment (or triumph) because there's an American pope now, as if that would somehow strengthen Trump's position, but I don't see how. Trump doesn't control him and the pope owes no allegiance to Trump, but as an American pope, I think American Catholics are more likely to listen to him, and I think his moderate views could do a lot of good to the extremism of US politics.

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When I Google for massacres of Christians, all I find are links to Islamic factions in Africa and the Middle East. Where in America are Christian communities being wiped out by terrorists?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

deeg wrote: post #356
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What do you mean? There are plenty of "modern" interpretations. New scholarly commentaries come out almost every year. My point is that, among these, the prevailing assumption continues to be one that doesn't support same-sex marriages in the church. What is lacking, from my perspective, are scholarly interpretations that swing the discussion the other way. The best I've seen simply just exclude the problematic scrip…

For much of Christian history the Bible was largely interpreted as being pro slavery and against interracial marriage. Most people now disagree with those interpretations. There is growing support for LGBT within the church. Here's one example https://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/blog/archives/introducin...

The Bible doesn't even have the concept of race as we understand it today, because that concept is a very recent invention (to my understanding). Anyone using it to support anti-interracial marriage positions would be doing so anachronistically, rendering their own claim invalid.

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Post by pasquinelli »

dotancohen wrote: post #863
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When I Google for massacres of Christians, all I find are links to Islamic factions in Africa and the Middle East. Where in America are Christian communities being wiped out by terrorists?

israel killing christian palestinians is what i assume they're talking about.

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Post by ZoomZoomZoom »

ekianjo wrote: post #774
PortiaBerries wrote: post #609

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It never ceases to amaze me how poorly catechized the majority of cradle Catholics are. I don't intend this to be directed at you, but it's a standing joke among traditionalist Catholics that "I was raised Catholic" is the preamble to a statement of either ignorance or heresy.

Who the pope is, is not really relevant. It's not like the pope will suddenly go against the key scriptures or something. Also, most Catholics are born in catholic families so it's not like they chose catholicism over something else.

Who the president is, is not really relevant. It's not like the president will suddenly go against the constitution or something.

Bring serious, it's kind of important due to the Pope's infallibility.

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Post by bigbluedots »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #851
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You could educate yourself, you know, instead of trying to regurgitate something that someone else said that you thought looked clever. What would you call Americans? United Statesians? There are two countries called the United States in North America, there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America. People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans, and people from the United States o…

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No, we don't.

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Post by WrongAssumption »

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He said the quiet part out loud but that doesn't change the fact that presidents have been ignoring the constitution for decades. It's a trivial example but Biden trying to unilaterally declare the ERA law was absurd and his student loan forgiveness was obviously going to be found unconditional and he did it anyway. Those aren't the actions of someone who takes the constitution seriously. Nevermind the patriot act...

> Nevermind the patriot act... Whether you agree with it or not, at least the Patriot Act was passed by Congress and not simply Executive Orders because it's too inconvenient to work with Congress on legislation.

I don’t know that the majority of congress choosing to violate the constitution really makes your point.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

skissane wrote: post #809
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There’s a really interesting question here. Will the USA claim the right to tax the new pontiff? Likely answer is no, but legally the statute suggests yes. But who knows? There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign.

> There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign. Éamon de Valera was born in New York City in 1882, and served as President of Ireland from 1959 to 1973 Bhumibol Adulyadej was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1927, and served as King of Thailand from 1946 until his death in 2016 That’s just two US-born individuals who became head of state of another country, there may be more. I assume bot…

> there may be more.

> Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born on 19 June 1964 on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City

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Post by toofy »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #553
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Neat thanks. Btw how do you know this?! Have you memorized stuff of all the passed popes?

These are the types of things talked about in small groups near your local cathedral by members of groups like Opus Dei everywhere around the world. All are welcome :)

while it wouldn’t surprise me to learn they might be discussing this, but if they were it would almost certainly be in disgust—opus dei is very very extreme in their dislike of ideas such as those from pope leo.

one of my grandparents dabbled, and every single one of them i’ve met were very… trying to be kind here… veerrry very into the church. not a normal into the church, much more extreme. i’m desperately trying not to use the c word, but it really does fit. if one finds themselves being taken in, truly, please, take just a lil bit and learn how orgs like scientology and heavens gate etc… recruit people. the recruitment similarities are uncanny. the after effects are uncanny.

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