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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by gambiting »

anthonymoose wrote: post #656
thrance wrote: post #569

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I doubt so, Christian Republicans conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that directly contradict their ideology. How else could J.D. Vance consider himself a Catholic when his actions so directly go against the teachings of Christ? More generally, I think religion doesn't really inform your political views. It can certainly reinforce them post-hoc, but it certainly isn't the basis of one's morality.

As a practicing Southern Baptist, I don’t find Vance’s political ideology contradicts Christ’s teachings. Could you provide some good exemplar backed by scripture please? Preferably not cherry picked lines that tacitly support your earthly ideology, please.

I absolutely don't mean this against you personally - but I don't find Southern Baptists to be following Christ's teachings either.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by skissane »

senderista wrote: post #456
jsnider3 wrote: post #440

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He wasn't a Trump appointee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_George

"Robert Barron, bishop of the Diocese of Winona–Rochester in Minnesota, was appointed less than a week ago by President Trump to the new White House Commission on Religious Liberty."

I wouldn’t assume that just because Trump appoints someone to a commission, they and Trump see eye-to-eye about whatever.

Bishop Barron is pretty middle-of-the-road as far as US Catholic bishops go - he’s not much of a progressive, but nor is he a traditionalist or hardline conservative. On most issues on which Pope Francis and President Trump disagreed, Barron’s views and instincts are closer to the late Pope (who made him a bishop and then gave him a diocese) than to Trump’s

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by petesergeant »

scheme271 wrote: post #693
snickerbockers wrote: post #676

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That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. It probably has more to do with America's predominant religion being protestantism by a very wife margin for most of the country's existence. We didn't have a Catholic president until Kennedy and even then proving to the common American that Catholics aren't insane Vatican mindslaves was considered…

OTOH, 6 of the 9 supreme court justices are catholic so there might be some influence there although I think the influence is probably more from the somewhat uniquely American brand of conservative Catholicism.

‘The next Pope is from Chicago’ sounds like the kind of thing 1800s American nativists would panic about

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by watwut »

traes wrote: post #754
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #701

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> That's an interesting thought but if they're actually that concerned about it then they'd wait longer than four months. I don't think they had much control over when Francis died.

Sure, but there clearly wasn't much concern if an American got 2/3rds of the vote on day 2. They didn't have to elect a new pope this quickly.

They had to. They are locked there, isolated, until they elect. That is how catholic pope elections work. Their job is to elect and then move on their normal duties and interactions.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by gambiting »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #110

I strongly believe the American choice was a strategic decision made by a group of highly intelligent individuals.

I mean, the choice of John Paul II was also a "strategic" choice - he(or simply the fact that he was Polish) was credited with contributing to the toppling of communism and Poland, and in a broader sense with the collapse of the Iron Curtain.

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Post by gambiting »

amelius wrote: post #598
jsnider3 wrote: post #450

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If they want someone who can effectively oppose Trump, why would they pick someone he suggested?

What did any pope actually do to oppose anybody?

Pope John Paul II was a crucial figure in the fall of communism in Poland, even though he never opposed the state directly - just the fact that he was Polish and that the state couldn't censor his speeches and visits and demonstrated to the deeply religious nation that there is a path outside of the the one dictated by the state that is credited with a significant contribution to the forces that eventually led to the events of 1989.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by ookdatnog »

pie_flavor wrote: post #674
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #636

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"people" "Polymarket" How many non-technical people are on polymarket? That seems like a poor sample size.

One of two things must be true: Either Polymarket's more accurate than you are, or you can make free money.

Suppose I gave Provost 5% chance of winning the papal election. Then I would have been more accurate than Polymarket. But I wouldn't call betting on what I perceive as 5% chance of winning "making free money"; from my perspective it would still be a wild risk to bet any significant money on that outcome.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

api wrote: post #722
refurb wrote: post #702

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It’s funny seeing people talk about the decline of America. I can remember the same conversations in the 1970’s, late 2000’s as well.

If we ever hit a point where nobody is talking about America being in decline, that will mean we are entering decline. I do think we’ve been in a down period when it comes to politics for a while but I am mid to long term optimistic about things getting better. This is not the first time we’ve had crazy massively divisive politics or populist crackpottery. Overall I do not think we are in any kind of terminal decline…

>Google carved out a monopoly on search and they are complete trash now.

Google search is only trash to the tech savvy user base, but the normies have no issues with it.

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Post by watwut »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #612
dragonwriter wrote: post #503

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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.

Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’…

It is not primary about economy or powerty. That one is an excuse, a rationalization.

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Post by timonofathens »

pc86 wrote: post #320
pavlov wrote: post #310

In his time around the end of the 19th century, Leo XIII was known as the “Social Pope” and “Pope of the Workers”. He wasn’t a radical but opened the door to modern thinking in the church. Presumably there’s some symbolism to why the new pope wanted to adopt this particular name.

Symbolism is a huge part of what name you select which is why its been a minute since a Pope Innocent or Pope Pious.

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