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Post by digitaltrees »

remarkEon wrote: post #741
digitaltrees wrote: post #735

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Facts have a bias. Don’t have a counter argument?

Counter argument to what? You posted a list of things that look like a copy/pasta from last year's campaign trail. Unrelated to my point, only true at the margins.

You’re approaching bad faith.

Was the stock market at historic highs. Yes

Was inflation falling and the lowest in the OECD. Yes

I am not going to go point by point. And they aren’t “true at the margins” when taken together as a whole. They are a manifestation of a broad policy that created improved conditions in the country that would have continued. And the CHIPS act was the exact policy to set us in the course for how the world will be over the next 30 years rather than what it was 60 years ago.

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Post by remarkEon »

JackYoustra wrote: post #644
remarkEon wrote: post #619

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Okay. Which other things don't see effects from positive supply shocks? You're just restating my premise about time horizons. The pie grows, with time, if a bunch of other things happen in the right order. Wages haven't grown in two decades in the UK, your original example. So, how are you defining short and medium term? Three decades?

man idk, maybe it was the long conservative rule after the crash? Maybe it was the long austerity? Maybe it was the huge mass of natives that voted to crash out of an agreement with a bloc that handles over 80% of their trade? More seriously... - for US: The newest NBER IV estimates put the wage effect of all 2000-19 US immigration at +2 % for non-college natives. Show me a UK study of similar vintage that finds anyt…

Got a link to that NBER study? It's not that I don't believe you or think you're making it up, but I would like to understand what instrumental variable they were using to make the claim that an increase of low skilled immigration makes wages for non-college educated natives go up.

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s1artibartfast wrote: post #641
whoknowsidont wrote: post #602

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>The other thinks that law should not apply to illegal immigrants and even legal deportations are a due process violation. Where? Who? You're just making this up.

Im entirely honest. There are many in this thread suggesting amnesty or non-enforcement. If I dont want to take part in an open boarder or anti-enforcement protest, where do I go? What do you think? Should all illegal immigrants be deported?

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Post by mschoch »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #641
whoknowsidont wrote: post #602

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>The other thinks that law should not apply to illegal immigrants and even legal deportations are a due process violation. Where? Who? You're just making this up.

Im entirely honest. There are many in this thread suggesting amnesty or non-enforcement. If I dont want to take part in an open boarder or anti-enforcement protest, where do I go? What do you think? Should all illegal immigrants be deported?

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Post by dragonwriter »

wat10000 wrote: post #386
Waterluvian wrote: post #377

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I feel more disgusted by the Americans who know this is wrong but do nothing. I have no patience for evil people, but the truly damned are all the Americans who know and sense better but do not or cannot act properly. If deporting U.S. CITIZEN CHILDREN does not send you to the streets with fire and fury, you are well and truly lost. So much damn talk over the decades I've been alive about patriotism and liberty from…

It’s worse than that. Far too many of us want this stuff. I understand the basic idea of how you fight an oppressive regime everyone hates. I have no idea how you go about fighting one that half the country supports. Protests aren’t going to fix that. Last time around, I could at least soothe myself with the idea that he only won because our electoral system is idiotic, and a lot of voters didn’t understand what they…

> I understand the basic idea of how you fight an oppressive regime everyone hates.

If everyone hates it, you only need to fight it if has external support. A regime needs considerable active support and even wider at least tacit support to operate; if everyone locally hates it, it cannot function as a regime (but, if it has sufficient external support, can perhaps function as an occupation, that you do have to fight.)

> I have no idea how you go about fighting one that half the country supports.

You fight it by actively seeking to make it one that has much less support, by means such as revealing to the people who would oppose various acts the things that it is doing that have been effectively concealed or misrepresented to them that they would oppose if they understood.

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Post by grafmax »

tim333 wrote: post #708
briffle wrote: post #298

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They are also trying to push for an end to birthright citizenship.

Though they'll have a job doing that. 2/3 majority needed to change the constitution.

They have other plans such as intimidating the judiciary. That’s just for starters. If you think the uphill battle of a constitutional amendment is going to save us I think you should pay closer attention to what’s been going on.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

tomrod wrote: post #706
s1artibartfast wrote: post #641

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Im entirely honest. There are many in this thread suggesting amnesty or non-enforcement. If I dont want to take part in an open boarder or anti-enforcement protest, where do I go? What do you think? Should all illegal immigrants be deported?

It's spelled "border", and you'll note I spelled these out in this alleged suggestion as potential outcomes and associated as attributes. As Reagan was good for Amnesty, the right can find it in their ideals go support it.

Regan got stabbed in the back , and I think that burnt a lot of good will and hope for such a solution.

It worked for Regan because there was bipartisan support to enforce the law moving forward. I don't see that today so we get a yoyo effect

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Post by s1artibartfast »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #728
s1artibartfast wrote: post #294

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A child isn't abandoned when the parent is forcefully taken from them.

The parent has the choice to take the child.

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Post by worik »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #592
slg wrote: post #481

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>There's a poor child that's being withheld access to their medication and to their oncologists, and the adults in the room—adults in uniforms, adults with guns, adults in suits and adults in black robes—all of these adults are doing their adult things with their adult words, and the sum total of all that is the child still is without their cancer medicine. People like to blame these sort of situations on leadership…

> every individual involved in this is making a personal choice to let this happen. To be fair, you and I are involved. I'm on vacation in Mexico. You're presumably also doing something comfortable. We've had, in the span of days, a judge arrested in her court room and multiple U.S. citizens--children, no less---illegally detained and deported. It's blowing my mind to say this. But the right is clearly using violence…

> That means there is not only legitimacy, but necessity, in the opposition to begin deploying violence as a political tactic as well.

No. It. Does. Not.

Violence begets violence, and it is all our interests to fight against violence wherever, whenever.

Fight fire, with water

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Post by grafmax »

potato3732842 wrote: post #10
clusterfook wrote: post #2

> But for interesting HN discussion... anyone got any juice on why this is happening. Is there orders going down the chain of command from the president to do this sort of thing. Was this behaviour always there but less reported before? Are they more emboldened by the current environment?

Because it's always been happening. If they didn't already have this sort of abuse practiced they wouldn't be so good at it. The ACLU used to write basically the same exact pieces about the DEA Maybe it's 10% or 20% more prevalent or worse, I can't say from my vantage point, but it's a difference of degree, not a categorical one. You read these stories and they read exactly like all the other stories of how all sorts…

I think you’re overlooking the fact that our world - and the U.S. in particular - is sinking deeper and deeper into a deep crisis. No one knows exactly where this crisis will lead, but one thing is clear: everything around us is undergoing systematic change. And if you care about that, now is the time to get involved, because it’s during the moments of crisis that societies change.
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