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Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by frogperson »

llm_nerd wrote: post #39
globalnode wrote: post #6

theyve started arresting judges too, rip.

Bondi -- an outrageously partisan hack who is destroying the DOJ -- reached peak irony when she stated that "no one is above the law" in talking about that case. Donald Trump and his administration are on an absolute crime spree[1]. Insider trading, launching shit-coins and engaging in self-dealing, completely disregarding both the constitution and the courts, up to and including the Supreme Court. The US is currentl…

You have a way with words, you should really consider running for office.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

neither_color wrote: post #518
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the conversation? Separating kids from parents or deporting them with parents because we don’t want them to be separate? There is no question about breaking the law by parents. Question is do you let children be with their mothers(who apparently asked to do so) or no. As someone who came legally to Canada and went through thorough screening of 4 years before coming I just don’t get how people are ok with “chea…

>I just don’t get how people are ok with “cheaters” gaming the system. I usually steer clear of talking about these issues but there's something in the framing of this issue that maga has intentionally made people misunderstand: People do not say "I'm going to risk my life crossing a desert, and then when i have kids I'll be untouchable!" The actual "cheaters" are the birth hotel operators, whose clients are wealthy…

But the birth hotels are people with money. Think the reich wing cares?

And life happens. The woman that became my wife was here on a temporary visa, life threw us together, our hearts had their own idea about the situation despite both of us mistakenly believing the other was not available. And, no, there's no way she engineered it--the choices that threw us together were all made by others.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by freen »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #698
vkou wrote: post #529

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Can't do anything to bring them back, yet keep sending more people there. Here's a riddle for everyone. What do you call a prison where people go in without trial, never come out, and there's always room for more?

Have they sent more?

Yes. And will send more.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/homegrowns-trump-doubles-sen...

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Post by thephyber »

remarkEon wrote: post #697
digitaltrees wrote: post #692

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Define grim? Surging stock market, reduced inflation? 4% of the global population producing 75% of Nobel prizes ( half of which are immigrants), robust high tech manufacturing? Robust agriculture that was recovered from the first round of tariffs? Increased housing stock stabilizing prices? The Chips act and infrastructure bill that would have accelerated strategic manufacturing growth? Clean energy investments that…

These are all things that sound great to a religious listener of Ezra Klein’s podcast but normal people either don’t know about them, don’t care about them, or disagree with them.

I don’t think we should make policy specifically to cater to the part of a voting constituency (the willingly ignorant) who doesn’t know about the factual benefits of a large incoming immigration policy.

Policy should be made to cater to factual objective reality, not to make people feel better.

Ezra Klein isn’t for the unwashed masses. He’s not even interesting to the average Democrat. His content is specifically for people who care about boring facts and policy. Obviously MMA and WWE fans and crude comedian fans will respond more to show of force, peacocking, and loud brash speeches. These things are vapid when it comes to politics. They only serve to elect Dark Triad figures, not good policy makers.

The problem with immigration is that we need it (just to maintain replacement rates and economic growth), but the average American voter says they don’t want it.

Also worth pointing out that it’s likely that Democrats didn’t move on securing the border earlier in Biden’s term because all of the people criticizing Biden’s immigration policy were crying wolf for years or decades before it actually became a huge problem.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by LorenPechtel »

wat10000 wrote: post #399
gpm wrote: post #141

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In at least one of the cases here: The father explicitly did not want the child deported with the mother, had informed ICE of that, and initiated legal proceedings to that effect [1]. The mother and US citizen child were held largely incommunicado. They were not given access to a lawyer, and communication with the father was monitored, and upon the father attempting to give them the phone number for an attorney the p…

Note that it's advised for a single parent traveling internationally with their children to carry an letter from the other parent granting permission, because it may otherwise be interpreted as an attempt at international kidnapping and you may be prevented from traveling. The US government itself says this: https://www.usa.gov/travel-documents-children Yet here they are deliberately moving a child internationally ag…

Good point. Certainly looks like kidnapping to me.

Re: ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

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Post by thephyber »

remarkEon wrote: post #696
BobaFloutist wrote: post #660

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Our economy, ability to feed ourselves, and ability to sustain our population is fundamentally dependent on "Permanent legal mass migration."

This is a really bizarre claim to make. Are you claiming that the United States is, idk, forgetting how to farm and so we have to do mass immigration to bring in people who remember how? It also flies in the face of historical facts, like how the United States gained its status as an industrial powerhouse when immigration was at its lowest point in its history.

It’s not about knowledge. It’s about having people willing to use their strong backs.

Very few agricultural products are harvestable without the use of hands at the current prices. And when states have cracked down on illegal immigrants, farmers cry bloody murder that native-born Americans can’t last 1-2 days doing that work. American living standards are FAR higher than those of the people who are willing to work agricultural fields.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

rsfern wrote: post #179
djoldman wrote: post #56

From what research I've seen, the phrasing here should be that non-citizens were deported and chose to bring their US citizen children with them. The children themselves were not deported. This in no way excuses any of the other issues like not allowing contact with legal advocates / attorneys.

One thing I don’t understand is how this is even a choice the parents have the legal right to make, assuming their US citizen children do not have passports (I don’t know if the answer to that is publicly known). Can a child legally be taken out of the country without a passport and some kind of verifications?

I don't think the lack of documentation is a barrier to deportation. All that matters is that the country they are being deported to agrees to take them. But this has been rather routinely violated by ICE in the past--they are a totally criminal organization. (They would deport people by shoving them into Mexico--never mind if they are actually Mexican or not.)

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Post by LorenPechtel »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #294
paulryanrogers wrote: post #243

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Delay deporting the non-citizen parent at least until the citizen children have reasonable accomodations to remain in the country? "The plan" isn't sacred. Humans rights are sacred.

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A child isn't abandoned when the parent is forcefully taken from them.

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Post by thephyber »

digitaltrees wrote: post #691
throwaway48476 wrote: post #668

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Wages are too low to incentivize investment in automating these jobs, precisely because of illegal immigration.

What? China has dark factories now. Did their wages pass ours without anyone noticing? Please show your homework because the underlying logic seems exactly opposite of the facts.

Chinese dark factories aren’t harvesting bruisable fruits and veggies. Dark factories are specifically selected for tasks that are easily automated with extremely high precision. Most of agriculture isn’t.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #683
bee_rider wrote: post #678

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I don’t see any connection here.

Birthright citizenship doesn't apply to children born to parents subject to a foreign power. That's what the text of the ammendment says.

No. What the law says is that birthright citizenship does not apply to those *not* subject to US law. Foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity. It's not the foreign power that matters, it's the lack of the US power.
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