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post #579

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The Palestinian people should unilaterally disarm and trust Israel's good faith? Trust the world to protect them? You are asking for a lot.

Oh, I thought Hamas and Palestinians are not the same? So they are? Interestingly in WW2 a lot of Germans helped to save Jews. Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage. Some civilians even held hostages at home themselves.

> Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage.

What is that based on?

Hamas is very different than the Nazis. They are holding hostages in a war - they want the hostages to live or the hostages have no value. The Nazis were trying to murder as many people as possible.

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What does that mean, 'a right to exist'? It sounds like emotional nonsense speak - we have the powerful words right and exist , and together they sound existential, for a person. In international law afaict existing states have a right to exist - yes, almost circular. It's not endorsement of them as good or ok; it's recognizing reality and it's considered absolutely essential to maintain peace - otherwise everyone co…

After the fall of the Nazi regime, two new German governments were installed, and then unification happened. Yugoslavia broke up. The Soviet Union broke up. States alter, abolish, and replace themselves all the time. Maybe the dissolution I'm hoping for will actually take the form of Israel codifying a constitution finally that grants equal rights to Arab Palestinians and Jewish Israelis. >Beyond any doubt, the human…

> After the fall of the Nazi regime, two new German governments were installed, and then unification happened. Yugoslavia broke up. The Soviet Union broke up. States alter, abolish, and replace themselves all the time.

All the time? You had to go back to the 1940s and 1990s to find examples. Per Wikipedia, though I wouldn't trust it completely, there have been only three new countries since 1994 - South Sudan, Kosovo, Montenegro:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_da...

(skip down to Sortable list and sort by "Acquisition of sovereignty")

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> The burden of the proof should lie with the Israelis that they were not involved in committing war crimes. This is the opposite of innocent until proven guilty, it is up to the accuser to present evidence not the other way around.

> This is the opposite of innocent until proven guilty

No one is stating they are guilty, but serving in the IDF gives reasonable grounds to suspect someone could be involved in violations of human rights. This military's main task is to maintain an illegal occupation over millions of people. When you apply for a UK visa, for example, you do have to answer questions whether you were involved in war crimes, so it's pretty standard.

> it is up to the accuser to present evidence not the other way around.

I think you are confused, the context of this conversation is hiring for companies, not a court hearing. This principle does not apply here. If they cannot reasonably convince they didn't abuse Palestinians, they just don't get considered, that's it.

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This exactly right here ^ But discussions on the internet seems to be with lots of people who have only a shallow understanding of the balances involved and low historical context

Historical context has limited value. It doesn't matter what a political party did more than 10 years ago. Shallow understanding is a valid issue but that's what discussions are for

It matters if the political party's tactics for taking over a democracy are being copied.

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post #196

Not a surprise. I remember last year seeing that posts to https://www.birdsofgaza.com/ were being blocked, and it's hard to think of a more innocuous way of speaking out.

do you feel like it is “Israel’s war on Gaza”? Does that represent reality fully? Is that what children should be taught, that there is a demonic people that kills children? You don’t see any problem with omitting the massacre of israeli civilians, the captured hostages and many thousands of rocket launches towards densely populated civilian communities? is that how we achieve peace in your view?

> Do you feel like it is “Israel’s war on Gaza”? Does that represent reality fully?

No, I didn't write the text on that website. I'd describe it as Israel's genocide in Gaza.

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All military actions made by oppressed peoples is legitimate resistance and your framing of Palestinians as instigators is troubling.

not wearing uniform, attacking civilians, capturing hostages and holding your own civilian population hostage by violently taking over the commercial distribution of free humanitarian aid can not be called legitimate in any way

The IDF captures Palestinian civilians, dresses them in IDF uniforms, and forces them at gunpoint to walk in front of their military while conducting military operations in Gaza. Every accusation is a confession.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/03/israel-gaza-...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-soldier-palestinians-hu...

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post #632

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The Israeli government allowed transfer of Qatari money to Hamas as a mean to buy quiet, stemmed from the belief Hamas is a rational organization that strives to improve Palestinian life through its government of the Gaza Strip, an awful mistake. Qatar however is a supporter of the islamist Muslim Brotherhood ideology behind Hamas, financier and a host for most of its leadership. Furthermore involved in other terror…

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So in your opinion Israel has planned on having Hamas massacre its citizens on this scale?

The approach over the last decade or so was to keep that border quiet. Usually through economic means, the belief was the naive capitalist notion that lack of money creates evil (crime, war, etc)

Contrary to the popular belief, Israel as evident in the multiple operations l/wars over a decade, did not want to capture the strip. It was obvious that fighting an enemy entrenched in tunnels/hospitals/schools will lead to mass civilian death and IDF soldiers (overstated though). However, in hindsight this also made things worse once that was made inevitable.

You can see it in the Qatar money, agreeing to let dual-use materials that had been used to build tunnels and to allow gazans workers to work in Israel, as recent as just before October 7.

Regarding whether Israeli officials pleaded for that money, that is not an accurate representation, you can read about it here [1]. The reasons include US pressure and cutting funds from the PA to Hamas, and wanting to keep the quiet.

It is also stated they wanted to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state through counterweighting Hamas and the PA but I think this is a later exercise. This deal was highly unpopular in Israel and was regarded as what it is, protection money

Also, cult, really? Are you always this offensive or only with regard to this topic?

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-fu...

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#878
post #844

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Funny how easy it is to forget that guerilla terrorist actions were introduced to the region by Zionists in the 1940s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing Just to name a notable event amongst many. Many of the masterminds of the early Zionist insurgency later became top Israeli government officials. Sad to think that Jews and Arabs lived ok side by side. Right wing radicals realized their destiny…

Why are we changing the topic? This isn't a "who started" question. The assertion was that Palestinians are murdering Israeli civilians only because of how they're are treated in the West Bank and in Gaza. And that's somehow justified. My example shows this is clearly not true. Palestinians murdered Israeli civilians when the West Bank and Gaza were not even under Israeli control. And well before that as well. The co…

Poor Palestinians for defending themselves and their home land - maybe they should just sit and take it like the native populations in America, Canada, Australia, South Africa did.

Shelomo Dov Goitein admits that the Jews lived best when they lived with Muslims (and under their protection). This "knew their place" is not true, go talk to Syrian Jews (there's an interview with one on youtube) on what it was like before the brits made israel.

Who gave the british the right to declare who has the right to live in land they stole? The whole thing is insane when you think about it.

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What do you call this then? [1] [1] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/smotrich-says-not-even-gr...

Smotrich is an asshole bully but that doesn’t make what he says true. I actually agree that slow rolling aid is a huge problem with the Israeli regime but they didn’t completely cut off aid

He's not the only one speaking genocidal statements.

What's the solution now though? Let them literally employ mass starvation (another one of their well documented war crimes) while the world watches?

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Listen to their ministers and people in charge and they clearly state the intent outright. This latest conflict has exposed everything.

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The Palestinians did not start war over land - they were occupied and their home land stolen.
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