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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by edanm »

sriram_malhar wrote: post #575

Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas, even if I shout at the top of my voice that I don't care for the armed factions and political jockeying of either side. I will expect to be downvoted to hell for this.

> Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas,

What makes you say that? Plenty of people express support for the Palestinian people, including plenty of governments and heads of state, etc.

I personally think that being pro-Palestine means you should be anti-Hamas, since they are a brutal dictatorship that's plundered its people's resources to engage in a war with Israel that has destroyed their lives.

The main worrying thing is when someone is not pro-Palestinian, they're either pro-Hamas or anti-Israel.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by edanm »

nabla9 wrote: post #594
liorsbg wrote: post #593

I just re-read the article, and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. There’s a bunch of circumstantial stuff that people are choosing to feed into their narrative. Facebook has some rules and community guidelines, the Israeli government recognized some posts that violate those and asked for them to be taken down, and Facebook complied in accordance to their own rules.

Nothing illeagal. Just dirty.

The article doesn't even prove that anything is dirty. It's just carefully insinuating that these takedown requests are wrong, without actually showing any proof of this.

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Post by whatshisface »

DrFalkyn wrote: post #597
whatshisface wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way it works in American culture is quite simple. You are allowed to say whatever you like, but certain acts (like vandalism, or causing bodily harm to another individual) are criminalized. What we find in practice is that the truly awful people commit these crimes in addition to speaking awful things. We avoid punishing the merely incorrect.

This isn’t quite true. The last language from the Supreme Court, in Brandeburg vs. Ohio ( 1969) was “imminent lawless action”. There’s also standards for the public airwaves, which are regulated by the FCC. maybe not as important as they used to be, but still there and the major networks which are also broadcasters abide Also there’s specific exceptions like threatening the President, and “obscene” material, such as…

The topic is American culture and norms, not the rights of corporations to make deals with foreign powers concerning domestic activities.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by jgil »

mmooss wrote: post #542
shihab wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT's Executive Editor Joe Kahn is the son of a billionaire who was on the board of lobby group CAMERA, a group devoted to pressuring US media to be more pro-Israel.

Just rumors and conspiracy theories. Where can we see evidence of what you claim? What do you claim Kahn has done? Do you have evidence? The NY Times regulary publishes news critical of Israel. Children and parents, siblings, etc. disagree, sometimes extremely, regularly. Children and parents disagreeing is one of the most common stories in humanity. Should Joe resign because of dad's activities?

Not OP but -- there is reporting by The Intercept on a leak of guidance that explicitly contains double standards. [1]

Before the leak there was already data-driven analysis about coverage that, in aggregate, shows imbalance. [2]

1 - https://archive.ph/eEwi0

2 - https://archive.ph/fp4vQ

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by kombine »

yes_really wrote: post #294
submeta wrote: post #84

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Virtually all Israelis, both men and women, serve in the IDF from 18 to 21 years old. So the criticism is that Meta employs 100 Israelis out of its 74k US employees? That's 0.1%. The Indians and Chinese immigrants cover a much larger percentage. Does that mean that Meta is controlled by India and China?

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Post by kombine »

steventhedev wrote: post #581
submeta wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? Apparently that’s what these Meta employees with strong ties to Israel did: Suppress any criticism of Israel‘s apparent war crimes in Gaza, for which there are arrest warrants from the ICC.

By that incredibly racist logic Meta should only hire born and bred Americans. How many Russians work at Meta? How many Palestinians?

That was not the point. You can hire both Russians and Israelis, as long as they were not involved in the occupation of Ukraine and Palestine respectively. It gets more trickier with Israel, because of the mandatory conscription to the occupying army, whereas virtually all Russians working in tech that I personally know never served in the Russian military.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

NoTeslaThrow wrote: post #63
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. An…

Which politcal perspective is being ignored by the media?

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Post by Braxton1980 »

DrFalkyn wrote: post #586
mmooss wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just endless conspiracies. Which newsroom leaders get their money from what places? Why do leaders in government and business hate journalists so much and invest so much in discrediting them?

The Washington Post being owned by Amazon for one

I believe he was referring to the constant barrage of anti-media rhetoric by Republicans.

You can't trust the main stream media, the legacy media is lying, etc

Why would they do this it the media is controlled by them?

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Post by Braxton1980 »

mmooss wrote: post #560
Braxton1980 wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it really matter if your name isn't connected to your real life identity?

Will that matter in a world of AI? Can't the connection be made - for example based on writing style, political opinions, time of day you post, networks you use, etc etc.

I'm sure it could be figurded out but not easily?

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Post by Braxton1980 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #514
sneak wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It turns out that in real life you don’t have any right to be forgotten, and trying to legally manufacture one is not only nonsensical, it’s impossible. HN is a public forum, if you don’t want your statements here being public, don’t post.

The right to be forgotten is a natural consequence of reality - nothing is by default permanent. It's digital systems that have perverted reality by persisting information beyond its normal short lifetime. If there's one law of the universe it's that nothing is permanent.

What if I did something and it was written down in a book?
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