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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by steventhedev »

submeta wrote: post #102
megaman821 wrote: post #96

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Since service is manditory for most Isrealies, that just mean the 100 Isrealies in a company of 74,000 employees and somehow that is a conspiracy?

These are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? Apparently that’s what these Meta employees with strong ties to Israel did: Suppress any criticism of Israel‘s apparent war crimes in Gaza, for which there are arrest warrants from the ICC.

By that incredibly racist logic Meta should only hire born and bred Americans. How many Russians work at Meta? How many Palestinians?

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Post by mmooss »

DAGdug wrote: post #218

Just want to call out that the head of the trust and safety/integrity division, Guy Rosen, is an Israeli citizen with a strong pro-Israel bias. He’s also a person of questionable morals. From Wikipedia: “ Guy Rosen and Roi Tiger founded Onavo in 2010. In October 2013, Onavo was acquired by Facebook, which used Onavo's analytics platform to monitor competitors. This influenced Facebook to make various business decisio…

It's a conspiracy theory. Plenty of Israeli citizens support Palestinian rights and are opposed to what their government is doing. The guilt by association leads to things like antisemitism and anti-Palestinian hate and all the rest.

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Post by edanm »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #549
Duwensatzaj wrote: post #528

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I don't. The dissolution of a state implies nothing about the disposition of its people or a violent end to said state.

You're technically correct of course.

Then again, the overwhelming majority of people talking about Israel not having a right to exist are advocating for the violent overthrow of it that by when you're repeating their slogans, you're not advocating what they're advocating.

Also, while there are some valid reasons for the idea that "Israel doesn't have a fundamental right to exist" (like if you think no state has a right to exist), if you only think this about Israel, then it's very likely an antisemitic argument.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

iddan wrote: post #566
SauciestGNU wrote: post #549

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I don't. The dissolution of a state implies nothing about the disposition of its people or a violent end to said state.

Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.

Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate. The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

mmooss wrote: post #574
SauciestGNU wrote: post #551

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What does that mean, 'a right to exist'? It sounds like emotional nonsense speak - we have the powerful words right and exist , and together they sound existential, for a person. In international law afaict existing states have a right to exist - yes, almost circular. It's not endorsement of them as good or ok; it's recognizing reality and it's considered absolutely essential to maintain peace - otherwise everyone co…

After the fall of the Nazi regime, two new German governments were installed, and then unification happened. Yugoslavia broke up. The Soviet Union broke up. States alter, abolish, and replace themselves all the time.

Maybe the dissolution I'm hoping for will actually take the form of Israel codifying a constitution finally that grants equal rights to Arab Palestinians and Jewish Israelis.

>Beyond any doubt, the humans in Israel and the occupied territories all have a right to exist.

I certainly agree here.

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Post by DrFalkyn »

mmooss wrote: post #544
banannaise wrote: post #480

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More importantly, these newsrooms are run by people who get their money from the same places. How much are they going to tolerate narratives that go against their financial interests?

Just endless conspiracies. Which newsroom leaders get their money from what places? Why do leaders in government and business hate journalists so much and invest so much in discrediting them?

The Washington Post being owned by Amazon for one

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Post by throwing_away »

mmooss wrote: post #570
throwing_away wrote: post #401

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> Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? Up until you got to the "Roman" salutes, it sounded like both sides in the US. Or rather, it will sound like whichever side you aren't. That's the point. But using "Then they came for the Jews" when you're discussing deportation of these particular people is perhaps a new level of absurdity in the discourse.

> "Roman" salutes, it sounded like both sides in the US. The liberals / Dems can barely organize a picnic. They can't agree on anything. There is no Fox News, there is nobody they bow down to. The obsequiousness to Trump is unprecendented.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/04/04/picnic-before...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bazalia »

dang wrote: post #124
bazalia wrote: post #113

Is it just me or is this post very low on the hacker news order even though it has much more upvotes in a short time than much of the posts above it.

This is in the FAQ: see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#whyrank ("Why is A ranked below B even though A has more points and is newer?"). But here's a longer answer. In the case of a story like this, which has significant new information (SNI) [1] on a major ongoing topic (MOT) [2], and at least some hope of a substantive discussion, moderators sometimes turn off the user flags on the story [3] so that it ca…

Thank you for the detailed and professional response. I'm glad I learend something new out of this as I was ignorant about the complexities of managing HN post rankings.

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Post by raverbashing »

kurthr wrote: post #537
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

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>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

Exactly, it's the "they're the same anyway", "both sides" equivalency that allows the buildup of antidemocratic de-politicization and apathy. This is one of the goals of the _there_is_no_truth_ radicalization that is fundamental to Russian political control

This exactly right here ^

But discussions on the internet seems to be with lots of people who have only a shallow understanding of the balances involved and low historical context

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by js4ever »

mmooss wrote: post #579
cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #414

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Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetric warfare. If that were shutdown and violence were disavowed, that would give them political respect and would cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized.

The Palestinian people should unilaterally disarm and trust Israel's good faith? Trust the world to protect them? You are asking for a lot.

Oh, I thought Hamas and Palestinians are not the same? So they are?

Interestingly in WW2 a lot of Germans helped to save Jews. Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage. Some civilians even held hostages at home themselves.

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