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Post by rayiner »

NoTeslaThrow wrote: post #63
aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Indeed. The editorial boards of these newsrooms are often staffed with people who attended the same schools and classes as those running the country. The social circles of the two worlds are extremely closely linked. Of course, this means that the reporting isn't very good at addressing its blind spots–i.e., most of the news in the country, let alone the world, that isn't relevant to the ivy league coastal elites. An…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by gryzzly »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #634
bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

Defending yourself from genocide is not terrorism

right, if you, for example, wear uniform, and if you, for example, have not started the war and didnt cause the genocide by not wearing uniform, by using civilians as human shields, and by stealing the humanitarian aid and reselling it to poor displaced civilians, that you then cynically enlist to die for your cause, because there is no other source of cash to feed your families.

you should also consider the sequence of events before using such grave accusations.

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Post by gryzzly »

KingMob wrote: post #675
iddan wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.

FYI, I'm Jewish, with Israeli friends, and kibbutznik family on my great-grandaunt's side. Israelis like you tell themselves this, but you don't speak for the diaspora. I personally feel that Israel makes the rest of us less safe, not more.

but majority does not. you dont represent the majority.

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Post by Ecstatify »

tdeck wrote: post #196

Not a surprise. I remember last year seeing that posts to https://www.birdsofgaza.com/ were being blocked, and it's hard to think of a more innocuous way of speaking out.

It’s not only about suppression; it’s about cultivating fear around expressing your opinions. There are groups actively working to have individuals fired for voicing support for Palestine.

For instance, a woman wrote “Freedom for Palestine” in Gaelic on LinkedIn, prompting a group of Israelis in a WhatsApp chat to actively coordinate efforts to get her fired.

The General Manager of Wix, Batsheva (Levine) Moshe, responded in a WhatsApp chat saying:

“Hi yes we know. Being taken care of since it was published. I believe there will be an announcement soon regarding our reaction.”

Wix were orderd to pay €35K for unfair dismissal.

ref(s):

https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-inf...

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/israeli-tech-firm-ordere...

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Post by gryzzly »

tdeck wrote: post #196

Not a surprise. I remember last year seeing that posts to https://www.birdsofgaza.com/ were being blocked, and it's hard to think of a more innocuous way of speaking out.

do you feel like it is “Israel’s war on Gaza”? Does that represent reality fully? Is that what children should be taught, that there is a demonic people that kills children? You don’t see any problem with omitting the massacre of israeli civilians, the captured hostages and many thousands of rocket launches towards densely populated civilian communities? is that how we achieve peace in your view?

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Post by reissbaker »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #653
mlindner wrote: post #641

The problem is the pro-Palestine movement irrecoverably linked themselves to Hamas, a terrorist organization, it's made supporting Palestine a toxic position to hold for anyone of any significance.

Actually it's the other way around. Fascists in Israel and the US worked very hard to make it so that anyone seen to be sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians is seen as pro Hamas, or pro terrorist. Apparently there are some that even say the Palestinian flag itself is a "terrorist flag" and anyone flying it is also a terrorist.

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Post by graemep »

NoOn3 wrote: post #688
uniqueuid wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

If you are not constantly posting fake and not recieve money from foreign entities you are not being arested at all in Russia. You may get a fine, and that's not always the case.

Claiming people are being funded by "foreign entities" is one of the commonest excuses dictatorships use for persecution.

I do not know what the state of free speech in Russia is, but that explanation is not credible.

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Post by simion314 »

edanm wrote: post #685
simion314 wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK and also jump instantly a topic is posted, and also try to shut me up with accusation of being an anti-semite. There is also an easy but not perfect way to check, you look at the account age and post history. If you check a normal user account like mine you will see it ha many years lon…

> I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK In other words, you assume that people that disagree with you must be bots or paid trolls? That certainly explains why you think Reddit is full of them :) I will often write stuff that you would probably consider pro-Israeli. I'm not a troll and don't get paid for it. Do you simply di…

I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, for example I disagree with lot of MAGA uninformed people and they are not bots, I can see they are behaving like regular people.

Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? If those are yes then you are a bot, can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service.

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Post by gryzzly »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #637
YZF wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palestinian violence predates the 1967 and 1948. Also Gaza wasn't occupied since Israel left it in 2005. Here's is one example from 1954 when Israel did not control Gaza or the West Bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Akrabim_massacre "The Ma'ale Akrabim massacre, known in English as the Scorpions Pass Massacre, was an attack on an Israeli passenger bus, carried out on 17 March 1954, in the middle of the day…

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your position is to omit agency of the palestinians which is harmful to any peace process

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Post by gryzzly »

michaelsshaw wrote: post #639
YZF wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we moving the goal posts? Parent claims the violence is simply due to: "The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and Palestinian people treated as subhuman animals." This is not true. And this is what I'm addressing in my reply. We can litigate 1948 as well. Plenty of Palestinian violence pre-1948. Their refusal to a…

All military actions made by oppressed peoples is legitimate resistance and your framing of Palestinians as instigators is troubling.

not wearing uniform, attacking civilians, capturing hostages and holding your own civilian population hostage by violently taking over the commercial distribution of free humanitarian aid can not be called legitimate in any way
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