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Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by lukan »

fnord77 wrote: post #98
nineplay wrote: post #45

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The 'no fruit juice' thing really got on my nerves when my kids were little since people just throw it out with no qualifications. So really, if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad? It's such a reductionist way to look at food and nutrition. I also recently had a PT tell me that blending fruit into smoothies removes all the nutritional value, wh…

> if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup generally, processed foods are bad. You just created a processed food - you extracted the sugar and left the fiber and other good stuff behind.

"generally, processed foods are bad"

So ... you are on a raw food diet then?

I met some people who managed this for some years, but it sounds not really practical (or healthy) to me. And they were in no better shape in my perception. Rather the contrary.

Humans use fire to process food since a long time.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by lukan »

leoh wrote: post #34
jader201 wrote: post #20

These days, about the only liquid you can consume without controversy is water. Some say coffee is good for you (in moderation), some say it's bad for you. Some say certain alcoholic drinks are good for you (in moderation), some say no amount of alcohol is good. Some say some artificial sweeteners have benefits, some say all of them are toxic. Some think fruit juices are good for you, because fruit. Some (most) say t…

>I guess I'll stick to drinking water. But I'm sure there's a reason why that's bad for me. Micro-plastics, fluoride.. ;)

Or the more traditional ones: bacterias, viruses, worms, ...

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

wao0uuno wrote: post #74
nineplay wrote: post #56

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People below you in this thread are saying that fresh squeezed orange juice is little better than Mountain Dew. Something about nutrition makes people lose their minds.

By squeezing juice out of an orange you’re separating the unhealthy stuff from the healthy stuff. Healthy stuff then gets thrown away. Some juice every now and then won’t hurt anyone but it’s not healthy to drink it every day.

> By squeezing juice out of an orange you’re separating the unhealthy stuff from the healthy stuff

You’re separating liquids from solids. They each have their merits. The problem is industrial fruit produces a juice that is unlike anything in nature vis-à-vis sugar content.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

jader201 wrote: post #20

These days, about the only liquid you can consume without controversy is water. Some say coffee is good for you (in moderation), some say it's bad for you. Some say certain alcoholic drinks are good for you (in moderation), some say no amount of alcohol is good. Some say some artificial sweeteners have benefits, some say all of them are toxic. Some think fruit juices are good for you, because fruit. Some (most) say t…

> The only thing that we seem to agree on, is that any sort of beverage containing sucrose is bad for you.

Oooh, I guess I get to throw the wrench in that one. Endurance athletes benefit from the intake of large amounts of sugars during activity. Most sports drinks are primarily a mix of maltodextrin and fructose but the science is increasingly pointing toward something closer to a 1:1 glucose:fructose ratio being optimal at large carbohydrate intake -- in other words sucrose!

Ingested in an appropriate context, it is an excellent and easy to digest fuel source. You get to throw a couple hundred grams of table sugar into a sports bottle and call it healthy.

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Post by whycome »

omnimus wrote: post #87
ender341341 wrote: post #28

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> Some say certain alcoholic drinks are good for you (in moderation), some say no amount of alcohol is good. From what I've read it seems likely that any amount of alcohol is bad for you, most of the studies that show moderate as good for you make the mistake of only have 'sober', 'moderate' & 'heavy' drinking, but if you look at the 'sober' folks there's a heavy mix of "I don't drink because I'm in recovery" or othe…

Alcohol is bad for your body but can be quite good for your mood. Just like sugar or othe high calory food.

Yeah this is a key part. If in small amounts it can reduce anxiety and increase sociability (if desired) then it could be a net positive. Good and bad is vague.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by wombatpm »

timcobb wrote: post #97
nineplay wrote: post #57

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Because no one wants to drink water all day every day and nothing else.

I basically only drink water...

With just enough whiskey so that I don’t have the smell of water on my breath.

Same reason I cut my OJ with vodka.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by bitwize »

jader201 wrote: post #20

These days, about the only liquid you can consume without controversy is water. Some say coffee is good for you (in moderation), some say it's bad for you. Some say certain alcoholic drinks are good for you (in moderation), some say no amount of alcohol is good. Some say some artificial sweeteners have benefits, some say all of them are toxic. Some think fruit juices are good for you, because fruit. Some (most) say t…

The latest research indicates that the tolerable amount of both sugar and alcohol without elevated health risk is zero. If you're not eating keto only (almost if not entirely exclusively plants) and drinking water only (or maybe unsweetened tea/coffee occasionally), you are at increased risk for major disease.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by bitwize »

nineplay wrote: post #45
jader201 wrote: post #20

These days, about the only liquid you can consume without controversy is water. Some say coffee is good for you (in moderation), some say it's bad for you. Some say certain alcoholic drinks are good for you (in moderation), some say no amount of alcohol is good. Some say some artificial sweeteners have benefits, some say all of them are toxic. Some think fruit juices are good for you, because fruit. Some (most) say t…

The 'no fruit juice' thing really got on my nerves when my kids were little since people just throw it out with no qualifications. So really, if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad? It's such a reductionist way to look at food and nutrition. I also recently had a PT tell me that blending fruit into smoothies removes all the nutritional value, wh…

Consuming whole fruit is kinda okay because the fiber in the fruit helps buffer sugar absorption.

With juice you're getting lots of sugar but no fiber.

Commercially bottled juices (e.g., Tropicana) are worse but fresh squeezed is still bad.

If it's sweet, spit it out!

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by bitwize »

snozolli wrote: post #92
nineplay wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'no fruit juice' thing really got on my nerves when my kids were little since people just throw it out with no qualifications. So really, if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad? It's such a reductionist way to look at food and nutrition. I also recently had a PT tell me that blending fruit into smoothies removes all the nutritional value, wh…

no one should get nutritional advice heath professionals who are not nutritionists. Nobody should take advice from nutritionists. It's not a regulated title. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. Take your nutritional advice from dieticians (and licensed medical professionals with relevant training and experience ).

As Dara Ó Briain put it, dietician is to nutritionist as dentist is to tootheologist.
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