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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by detaro »

pc86 wrote: post #496
tremon wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably more like "your first sentence doesn't address the GP's situation at all, so the rest of the post is just gonna be grandstanding without foundation". Which happens to be a correct assessment of your post. Specifically, "disappeared for a few days" is not at all what basically every country on the planet does.

I'm very clearly responding to the oversimplifying final sentence and I cited several instances where non-citizens can indeed be held for days without violating US laws. The GP frames this as the US doing something nobody else does, which is objectively false, and even if his specific example is an egregious violation of someone's rights I'm sure if we looked through the last 25 years of immigration detentions for ot…

Most of your comment is spent arguing about "can question and deny entry", which is missing the point by a mile.

Also, things can be legal and iffy at the same time (indeed, such wide-ranging powers basically invite that, since they give wide latitude to go overboard in cases that do not deserve it).

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by mikedelfino »

skc wrote: post #495
mikedelfino wrote: post #360

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> The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated Why would they want that?

Perhaps because they know it wouldn't matter. It's not like there is a ready drop in replacement for things people desire from the US.

I get that they don't care. I was just curious why that would be an intention in itself.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by casey2 »

baketnk wrote: post #227
praptak wrote: post #83

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Non-punitive my ass. The German tourist was put for eight days in solitary confinement: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

there's never backstory given, we're just supposed to automatically feel bad and never get to have a real story about why that decision is made. this is less of a defense of ICE than more of a push for transparency so we don't have to deal with low information appeals to emotion.

The backstory is that she illegally entered from mexico but CBP is in the US, Mexico won't take her back so ICE has to arrange deportation. Unsurprisingly there are no return flights from bumfuck border town to Germany so she is detained (and interrogated, her Instagram shows her giving tattoos to people in mexico) and sent to San Diego and detained until ICE arranges a flight. ICE prioritizes mass deportations so a single person likely gets put at the back of the queue.

A sane border would just block illegal entrance. But pretending that ICE should be optimized for single person expedited deportation is just stupid. While in CBP you may not be allowed to contact your lawyer the 60 days she was in ice custody was completely fair game, but she didn't for some unknown reason.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by casey2 »

ziddoap wrote: post #243
baketnk wrote: post #227

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there's never backstory given, we're just supposed to automatically feel bad and never get to have a real story about why that decision is made. this is less of a defense of ICE than more of a push for transparency so we don't have to deal with low information appeals to emotion.

> there's never backstory given There's no backstory that justifies indefinite detention without due process.

Sounds like due process was exactly what she got. Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Or that the US has to allow you to enter if you do so legally, determined by trial? Either will result in much, much longer deportation times.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by snappieT »

virtualritz wrote: post #332
bayindirh wrote: post #131

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I constantly travel to EU for work. I see all kinds of people from any part of the world, and they pass through fine. When I traveled last time, I have witnessed an European denied entry for a reason I don't know, and a white male without any beard has been escorted into the immigration office. Said office had a giant window. The officers were just chatting with him while checking his documents, and also drinking som…

It all depends what part of the EU and how you look. For some EU perspective: last summer we traveled with a group of social dancers from Berlin to Pula in Croatia, going to an event at the coast. Croatia joined Schengen in January 2023. We had one couple in the group that where not "white". She is German but her parents are Vietnamese and he is from Syria. They're married, they have German citizenship. They were the…

> For some EU perspective

> Serbia is not part of the EU

> Racial profiling is everywhere. Also in the EU.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by [deleted] »

SpaceNoodled wrote: post #492
kccqzy wrote: post #445

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From what I understand, being arrested at the U.S. border while entering the country is strictly worse than being arrested by regular police while inside the U.S. In the latter case, the police arresting you will at least read you your Miranda rights, will have no right to search your phone unless authorized by a warrant, and will generally offer bail to get out of the jail in exchange for a court appearance. That's…

ICE is already kidnapping people from inside the US and shipping them to El Salvador without even the barest pretense of due process.

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by sigwinch »

mikedelfino wrote: post #360
brookst wrote: post #181

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It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out. The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

> The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated Why would they want that?

That department -- customs and border enforcement -- needs to be ideologically pure for the next phase. They'll need to be able to rapidly judge new hires for culture-fit. Can you do the things that only make sense if your boss wants USA to be hated? Can you deftly talk that group of travelers into all unlocking their phones for imaging?

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Post by DeathArrow »

josephg wrote: post #215
chimeracoder wrote: post #137

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> Depends on which part of Europe. In the more diverse parts, nobody would bat an eyelid (even if border police might profile you). As a person who matches the description above, and has traveled to Europe extensively and frequently, I can tell you that as much as Europeans like to believe this is this case, it is absolutely not true. > Nobody will throw you in jail in indefinite detention in another country with no…

A couple years ago my girlfriend and I spent about 2 months travelling through europe. We visited about 10 countries on our trip. A lot of our travel between countries was by bus. After a few bus trips we started noticing something strange - the busses often pulled over for rest stops just after we'd changed countries. Everyone would all get out of the bus to stretch our legs, and some police would miraculously appea…

>Now, officially the shengen zone means there's no need to show your documents between countries.

Since EU has problems with the illegal immigration, there are some checks and they happen more frequently.

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Post by [deleted] »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

rekoil wrote: post #357
TwoNineA wrote: post #142

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> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. From my point of view, if POTUS blathers about annexing Canada, then the US doesn't deserve my tourist dollars, neither my Netflix subscription, neither my Amazon prime subscription. I've cut back on purchases/subscriptions from US companies as much as it…

Same here. There's one or two things I can't bear to cancel, but I've moved all my email from Google Workspaces to Proton, cancelled Netflix, cancelled plans to go to DEF CON, downgraded storage for Apple iCloud to just above what I need instead of way above, cancelled plans to get a new MacBook Pro this year, stopped buying groceries from companies with American owners, etc.

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