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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by neogodless »

mikepurvis wrote: post #262
thesuitonym wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? I don't know if that's strictly accurate. United States citizens are some of the most heavily disenfranchised in the western world. Our oligarchs have spent decades making it more difficult to vote, especially for people of color, who overwhelmingly disapprove of the current administration. In some urban areas, it can take…

And yet today's polling still shows a 43% approval rating for this president and administration: https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-approval-rating-now-... As a Canadian who normally travels to the US 3-4 times a year, that tells me everything I need to know about what "most Americans" think.

I don't blame your sentiment, but as part of the 57% that MASSIVELY DISAPPROVES of that nutjob, I don't like the "most" word being used here ;)

Try to remember our weird Electoral College, and that ultimately the vote came down to ~230,000 votes in swing states. (I'm in one of them, and I voted against the felon.)

Also hate that "mainstream news" like ABC and CBS covered Saturday's protests with the phrase "tens of thousand" while the protest organizations reported MILLIONS of protesters (about 1% of the population.)

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by pjc50 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #346
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29

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I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

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That's not a plural, it's the standard English pronoun for a person whose gender isn't specified.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by a_bonobo »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

Is Trump personally disappearing these students of the streets? Is it Trump personally detaining and 'violently interrogating' people at the border? Is it Trump personally shutting down USAID? Is it Trump personally calculating these insane tariffs? Is it Trump personally going into schools to deport children? No, that's regular US Americans helping Trump.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by chimeracoder »

virtualritz wrote: post #332
bayindirh wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I constantly travel to EU for work. I see all kinds of people from any part of the world, and they pass through fine. When I traveled last time, I have witnessed an European denied entry for a reason I don't know, and a white male without any beard has been escorted into the immigration office. Said office had a giant window. The officers were just chatting with him while checking his documents, and also drinking som…

It all depends what part of the EU and how you look. For some EU perspective: last summer we traveled with a group of social dancers from Berlin to Pula in Croatia, going to an event at the coast. Croatia joined Schengen in January 2023. We had one couple in the group that where not "white". She is German but her parents are Vietnamese and he is from Syria. They're married, they have German citizenship. They were the…

> Racial profiling is everywhere. Also in the EU. And some EU countries are more "famous" for it, the Balkans e.g.

Some countries are more "famous" for it, but that's really just a matter of perception and how it fits into an existing narrative, not based on actual evidence.

It's not like there's data showing that racial profiling is lower in France, Germany, and Sweden than it is in Eastern Europe.

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Post by baxtr »

tgv wrote: post #285
baxtr wrote: post #139

I think it's relevant to consider the baseline. Based on a quick online research, I estimate there are about 30-40k visitors landing from Europe in the US on any day. So roughly 3 million people in the last 3 months. I have seen maybe 5-10 very prominent cases in the last 3 months. Are these numbers roughly correct? Do we have any knowledge that this number is higher than before?

People buy lottery tickets knowing very well they are almost certainly not going to win. But you never know. You might get rich. You buy the ticket is the prize is tempting enough. Likewise, you avoid a low probability risk when the outcome is bad enough.

But this is only true if things have changed. That's why I am asking if we know that the number of incidents went up compared to last year or if it was in the same range but without the media coverage.

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Post by rekoil »

TwoNineA wrote: post #142
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. From my point of view, if POTUS blathers about annexing Canada, then the US doesn't deserve my tourist dollars, neither my Netflix subscription, neither my Amazon prime subscription. I've cut back on purchases/subscriptions from US companies as much as it…

Same here. There's one or two things I can't bear to cancel, but I've moved all my email from Google Workspaces to Proton, cancelled Netflix, cancelled plans to go to DEF CON, downgraded storage for Apple iCloud to just above what I need instead of way above, cancelled plans to get a new MacBook Pro this year, stopped buying groceries from companies with American owners, etc.

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Post by drstewart »

jillyboel wrote: post #201
mjaniczek wrote: post #41

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I'm an EU citizen who's on the organizer team of Elm Camp 2025, and I'm really on the fence whether to even risk the flight to US and attending, hearing these stories :(

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Post by ajb »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

This sort of thing doesn't happen because of just one person. The situation reminds me of the (fictionalised) account of the Roman Empire in "I Claudius": the narrator remarks that corruption had well set in in the centre under Tiberius, but everything looked ok to those outside the City until the madness of Caligula. That's not to say that the majority of Americans are bad people, but the political culture must have been diseased for some time for this to be possible.

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Post by mikedelfino »

brookst wrote: post #181
Squeeeez wrote: post #141

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Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out. The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

> The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated

Why would they want that?

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