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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by diggan »

bittermandel wrote: post #109

I didn't expect the comments in here to be so negative. It's a decent service in itself and a good alternative to many other traditional VM-based hosting companies, which Europe is absolutely full of. They are not really competing with the hyperscalers, nor even Digital Ocean in my opinion, but rather providers that likely sell pre-committed OpenStack clusters and such. I don't believe they are fully clear of America…

> I didn't expect the comments in here to be so negative.

Wait until the US properly wakes up and you'll see what negative can be on HN :)

> nor do I believe that it's possible to do that today.

Why not? Granted, a lot of the internet infrastructure is maintained by US entities, but it doesn't have to be that way, afaik. I'm fairly sure there are companies doing worse/better in this regard, but at least it's moving in the right direction.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by diggan »

bjarneh wrote: post #129
palata wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR goes further than the cookies, though.

Yes, it has tons of regulation which at least from my experience is very difficult to implement. I used to work for a company that basically barely knew what info they stored about anyone; and they also had long relationships with tons of clients. It was virtually impossible to follow GDPR in that company, but for some reason they wanted to show everyone that they were "best in class", since they handled a lot of fin…

> is very difficult to implement.

It shouldn't be.

> that basically barely knew what info they stored about anyone

Aha, might have been the core problem, wouldn't it?

> It was virtually impossible to follow GDPR in that company

So, sounds like the regulation worked exactly like expected? If you're not following proper procedures for storing data, it should be hard to comply with a regulation that is trying to force you to have proper procedures for storing data.

A bit like complaining that fraud is hard because of those pesky police officers. Yes, this is the intention.

> The cookie-banner just seems like a very strange "security" measure

The whole cookie-banner thing is vastly misunderstood by companies, and at best just malicious compliance. Again, not the fault of the regulation but the companies who don't put users best interest first, but their own. Hard to blame them though, that's the purpose of their existence after all, most of the time.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by sam-cop-vimes »

mischa108 wrote: post #94

What difference does it make if 99% of your devices are still running on Microsoft Windows? I'm a European DevOps engineer who specializes in Microsoft Azure, and I'd like to switch to European alternatives. But I struggle to see how we can ever become independent of Microsoft of all devices are still running Windows and 365 / Office.

Time to adopt Linux and other OSS? In some ways the experience is worse, but in some ways better. No Telemetry and none of the annoying ads being shoved into your face all the time. I still see software companies choosing to build on top of M$ tech stack and I cannot understand why. Why keep throwing money at M$ when a free OS is available!

edit: I understand why you would want to build on Windows if your user base is there. But why use it on the server side? The only reason I can think of is people who have only worked on Windows will keep using it, but at some point one has to get rid of this addiction.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by amne »

mpenet wrote: post #75
amne wrote: post #13

I don't get how you can advertise Kubernetes from 0 euro / month and then you have to choose a node that costs 3 euro / month. I have no idea if it's cheap or not but how is this kind of advertising legal?

That’s quite common, it means they host the control plane for free but not the kubelets (worker nodes).

I click "Create new cluster", I see "Cluster plan -> development" for 0 (zero) euro / month with "Up to 30 worker nodes". When it says "Cluster plan" I don't read control plane, I read cluster.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by confiq »

fer wrote: post #108
pkos98 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having worked as Cloud Solution Architect at Microsoft Germany/Azure, let me tell you: Nope this gap can not be closed by any US company alone due to the Us Patriot Act - which forces any US company (including e.g. a German subsidiary) to allow access to all data for national security purposes.

Having worked at AWS, no, it's a separate partition under a separate legal entity, and the EU framework is specifically designed to counter Patriot Act, CLOUD Act and the like. It's gonna be similar to AWS China, and potentially more restrictive in some senses. That leaving aside regions we're not allowed to talk about.

> Having worked at AWS

This should be disclaimer at your first message when you compared AWS with UPCloud.

TBH, I would not trust AWS with countering the Patriot Act.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#136

Post by purerandomness »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31
purerandomness wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, do you have a source for your claims? > German and UK citizens got canceled, fined or SWATTED for calling their elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media Being "canceled" isn't a defined term. Being SWATted has nothing to do with state censorship, it's people abusing emergency services. Getting a fine by the government for calling "elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media" would be the only thing…

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That's not how any of this works.

Those who make bold claims, need to back them up with evidence.

From following your other comments, you seem to be confused by Germany's version of what in the USA is known as Defamation lawsuits, and you're mixing it up with what is commonly known as "free speech", or the restriction of it.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by sam-cop-vimes »

rglullis wrote: post #130
sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #128

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Yes absolutely. I would consider using it.

Ok. That's good to know. If you don't mind some follow-up questions: - What services are you/your company relying on and you'd like to switch to an open alternative? - How much are you/your company spending on these services? - What is the threshold of pain (retraining, missing features, known issues) would you/your company be willing to accept for solutions that are not 1:1 replacements for the current systems?

Off the top of my head.

Google Workspace (email / drive / docs / chat): $500 / month

Various cloud services: VPS / RDS ($1000+ / month)

Figma / Adobe: $100 / month

A bunch of other services where we spend less than $100/month.

How much pain: as long as a basic level of service exists, willing to take on pain just to not be completely dependent on US companies.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by rglullis »

sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #137
rglullis wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. That's good to know. If you don't mind some follow-up questions: - What services are you/your company relying on and you'd like to switch to an open alternative? - How much are you/your company spending on these services? - What is the threshold of pain (retraining, missing features, known issues) would you/your company be willing to accept for solutions that are not 1:1 replacements for the current systems?

Off the top of my head. Google Workspace (email / drive / docs / chat): $500 / month Various cloud services: VPS / RDS ($1000+ / month) Figma / Adobe: $100 / month A bunch of other services where we spend less than $100/month. How much pain: as long as a basic level of service exists, willing to take on pain just to not be completely dependent on US companies.

So:

- Google Drive/Docs -> Nextcloud.

- Chat -> Matrix

- Email -> Some EU or Swiss-based email provider, I'd recommend Migadu

- Figma -> Penpot

I'd have to know a bit more about you mean by "various cloud services", but if you just mean "applications we run ourselves", it sounds more like a small consultancy project than a packaged product that can be offered.

In any case, I think I could help. Would you like to maybe send me an email? raphael (at) communick.com

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#140

Post by bjarneh »

diggan wrote: post #132
bjarneh wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it has tons of regulation which at least from my experience is very difficult to implement. I used to work for a company that basically barely knew what info they stored about anyone; and they also had long relationships with tons of clients. It was virtually impossible to follow GDPR in that company, but for some reason they wanted to show everyone that they were "best in class", since they handled a lot of fin…

> is very difficult to implement. It shouldn't be. > that basically barely knew what info they stored about anyone Aha, might have been the core problem, wouldn't it? > It was virtually impossible to follow GDPR in that company So, sounds like the regulation worked exactly like expected? If you're not following proper procedures for storing data, it should be hard to comply with a regulation that is trying to force y…

> A bit like complaining that fraud is hard because of those pesky police officers. Yes, this is the intention.

GDPR did not lead to any actual changes for the company, except they set up a fancy web-page about how serious we where about GDPR. That's the intention?

Many companies cannot possibly remove the info GDPR demands, as they barely know they have it, and they will use minimal efforts to fiddle with this stuff. From what I saw, GDPR is just another example of legislation, that looks good on paper; and the intention is certainly good. But no real change followed; at least where I worked.

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