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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ivan_gammel »

smiggels10 wrote: post #92
ivan_gammel wrote: post #77

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If you want to argue in good faith, you should share some facts instead of sending people to Google. I am closely watching German politics and still have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe my search query is wrong, maybe you are just making this up.

You can express your opinion about everything and everybody, including politicians, in public as much as you want in germany. But first paragraph in the german constitution is about human dignity ("Menschenwürde"), not freedom of speech. Which means, that when you insult somebody in public, it can happen that the affected person might sue you, and that a court might judge that you hurt the person's dignity. The conse…

> Somehow, in certain circles, this whole story gets shortened to "If you criticize the government in germany, your home gets raided by the police".

If this is it, I couldn’t say better, thank you. I heard about those cases, but apparently do not belong to those circles to connect the dots.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by janmo »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #97
janmo wrote: post #89

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The fact that this was "due process" and "legal" makes the matter even worse IMO.

How? They busted huge criminal network and linked the app itself to a criminal gang. This is how the law enforcement should work. Every human right, including privacy, has limits and the purpose of the law and the due process to establish where those limits should be. It would be strange to expect that privacy of a human trafficker or drug dealer is protected more than the rights of the people they harm.

They intercepted and read the messages of most users, yet the number of arrests is significantly lower than the total number of SkyECC and EncroChat users.

Not only that, but they also have charged and are attempting to jail the creators of these phones/end-to-end messaging apps.

With what is happening it is becoming pretty much impossible to provide backdoor free communication tools within the EU.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by cpach »

Amusing to see all the comments complaining there is no 100% European tech stach covering everything from servers, CPUs, motherboards to laptops and office/word processing suites.

That is true, but none of those are 100% from US (or China) either.

It’s almost as if our global economy is a complex beast with lots of interdepencies…

My advice: Go read the seminal “I, Pencil” essay from the 50s. Now do the same exercise witha computer system that involves both hardware and software.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by belorn »

arccy wrote: post #111
ivanr wrote: post #91

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Your comment doesn't match what's written on the very page you quote: https://upcloud.com/fair-transfer-policy > Even if you exceed your monthly share, don’t worry, there are no excess fees. We will simply notify you of reaching the fair transfer policy and may reduce the bandwidth of your Cloud Servers to 100 Mbps for the rest of the month. EDIT For completeness, there is also: > If you believe to require more trans…

> Never pay for network transfer, even when your business takes off. Redirect savings towards accelerating your business growth. If your network speed is capped, that's a bandwidth limit that can break things, especially "when your business takes off"

A soft capped network capacity is different from a hard spending cap. They have different risk models, benefits and drawbacks.

Personally I prefer a cap on spending given that the risk of runaway costs has a bigger impact than the risk of runaway of legit network traffic. I suspect most people feel that they are more cable of catching and addressing runaway success, rather than an runaway network problem caused by an undiscovered bug or attack (often intentionally done during off-hours in the middle of the night).

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by cuu508 »

mpenet wrote: post #73
seper8 wrote: post #43

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What's the real difference in the end? Between a VPS at DO or a server at Hetzner?

If there’s any hardware issue on your dedicated box it might take a lot of time until your box gets back up (hours, days…). On a vps it’s less likely to happen in the first place (hvs are usually better quality) and if that happens migration takes minutes.

OTOH, with dedicated servers you can have bad neighbors in the same rack, but with VPS you can have bad neighbors in the same server. I'm using both dedicated servers and VPS on Hetzner, and, anecdotally, I see more consistent network latency on dedicated servers than on VPS.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by janmo »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #120
janmo wrote: post #103

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There is a pattern: Silk Road, SkyECC, EncroChat, TorMail+Freedom Hosting. What do they all have in common? Their servers were found or their encryption were broken under mysterious circumstances involving classified "techniques". In 3 out 4 cases malware was sent from the services to their users once taken over. All were hosted in the EU, even stranger, all of them had servers hosted by OVH. Although SR was not dire…

It doesn’t make sense to build a conspiracy theory on randomly selected facts, when there’s an obvious explanation that in all those cases the law was broken and law enforcement acted as they were supposed to act. Other ISPs and hosting providers are cooperating with lawful requests too.

If these takedowns were lawful, why do they lie and hide the details about how they did it?

Read carefully the sections related to the encrypted containers and the OVH servers and tell me your opinion: https://www.justice.gov/d9/press-releases/attachments/2019/0...

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by sam-cop-vimes »

rglullis wrote: post #60

Apologies in advance for the thread hijacking, but I wonder if there would be enough interest in a turn-key solution for a fully suite of open source SaaS alternatives, hosted in a European cloud (Hetzner and/or OVH). The idea would be to take any existing commonly used service at a startup and set up the FOSS equivalent, unify them with SSO via OIDC and charge by the a flat rate based on the amount of resources. I'v…

Yes absolutely. I would consider using it.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by bjarneh »

palata wrote: post #51
bjarneh wrote: post #25

> (GDPR) is the best-known European standard. After all, it’s hard to miss the opportunity to reject cookies on European websites. But there’s far more to data security. We should not be bragging about that "security", those cookie pop-ups are just a pointless annoyance. At least I guess we can all agree that there is far more to data security :-)

GDPR goes further than the cookies, though.

Yes, it has tons of regulation which at least from my experience is very difficult to implement. I used to work for a company that basically barely knew what info they stored about anyone; and they also had long relationships with tons of clients. It was virtually impossible to follow GDPR in that company, but for some reason they wanted to show everyone that they were "best in class", since they handled a lot of financial info etc. It basically just ended up with some fancy web-pages proclaiming that we were serious about GDPR, but nothing else materialized.

The cookie-banner just seems like a very strange "security" measure; but GDPR seems very strange as far as I can tell. It was sparked by the "forget me" campaign a few years ago I guess, and most people probably agree with the intent, but it has led to very strange set of rules.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by rglullis »

sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #128
rglullis wrote: post #60

Apologies in advance for the thread hijacking, but I wonder if there would be enough interest in a turn-key solution for a fully suite of open source SaaS alternatives, hosted in a European cloud (Hetzner and/or OVH). The idea would be to take any existing commonly used service at a startup and set up the FOSS equivalent, unify them with SSO via OIDC and charge by the a flat rate based on the amount of resources. I'v…

Yes absolutely. I would consider using it.

Ok. That's good to know. If you don't mind some follow-up questions:

- What services are you/your company relying on and you'd like to switch to an open alternative?

- How much are you/your company spending on these services?

- What is the threshold of pain (retraining, missing features, known issues) would you/your company be willing to accept for solutions that are not 1:1 replacements for the current systems?

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