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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by arccy »

ivanr wrote: post #91
rustc wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call pointing straight up lies as "nit picking". This is from their FAQ: https://upcloud.com/products/zero-cost-egress > What exactly does zero-cost egress mean? > We are eliminating any concerns over data transfer fees. This means you’ll enjoy Internet traffic from our cloud services without any fear of accumulating costs. > How does this differentiate UpCloud from competitors? > By pioneering the zero-co…

Your comment doesn't match what's written on the very page you quote: https://upcloud.com/fair-transfer-policy > Even if you exceed your monthly share, don’t worry, there are no excess fees. We will simply notify you of reaching the fair transfer policy and may reduce the bandwidth of your Cloud Servers to 100 Mbps for the rest of the month. EDIT For completeness, there is also: > If you believe to require more trans…

> Never pay for network transfer, even when your business takes off. Redirect savings towards accelerating your business growth.

If your network speed is capped, that's a bandwidth limit that can break things, especially "when your business takes off"

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by graemep »

onli wrote: post #107
diggan wrote: post #98

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> Hetzner behaves pretty much like DO, with servers that can be changed in the corresponding management panel. Or what aspect do you think is different? Parent is comparing Hetzner Dedicated with Upcloud VPS, not Hetzner VPS with Upcloud VPS, I'm not sure you missed this. But in case it's not a misunderstood question: Dedicated instances are "real" hardware you have full control over, for better or worse, while VPSes…

Yeah, that's exactly it and the confusion/edit fits ;) If I'm not missing something those dedicated cloud servers are dedicated in that they are not shared ressources, but can otherwise be managed like the shared "droplets". I was thinking that maybe the felt difference is in some additional services like block storage (though I think hetzner has a complete offering, without checking the details right now) or in the…

They are VPSs with dedicated (unshared) CPUs.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#113

Post by Apocryphon »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31
purerandomness wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, do you have a source for your claims? > German and UK citizens got canceled, fined or SWATTED for calling their elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media Being "canceled" isn't a defined term. Being SWATted has nothing to do with state censorship, it's people abusing emergency services. Getting a fine by the government for calling "elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media" would be the only thing…

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If you think you truly are up against an echo chamber then it’s in your best interest not to make a big show of martyrdom, claiming to be persecuted by it. Most posts that mention being downvoted become targets for further downvoting. Don’t break the fourth wall.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by Havoc »

piokoch wrote: post #21

This is missing the point. Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive. I guess they can win some clients, given current hostility of Europe against Trump, but what…

>current hostility of Europe against Trump

Seriously?

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ahofmann »

rustc wrote: post #85
scandox wrote: post #48

There's a lot of negativity and nit picking here. Upcloud are OK, Hetzner are better in my opinion for a lot of things. Nothing is perfect and European providers need to start somewhere. We all know there are tradeoffs and limitations but there's no need for a pile on.

I wouldn't call pointing straight up lies as "nit picking". This is from their FAQ: https://upcloud.com/products/zero-cost-egress > What exactly does zero-cost egress mean? > We are eliminating any concerns over data transfer fees. This means you’ll enjoy Internet traffic from our cloud services without any fear of accumulating costs. > How does this differentiate UpCloud from competitors? > By pioneering the zero-co…

You're misrepresenting UpCloud's offering. Their "zero-cost egress" is completely truthful - they don't charge extra fees for data transfer, unlike other providers.

The fair usage policy you linked sets reasonable bandwidth allocations (just like DO), but crucially, they don't charge as much as AWS/GCP. And this is the main selling point here: the egress fees of the big cloud providers are straight up bonkers. UpClouds isn't.

Calling this "lying" is dishonest. They're transparent about both the policy and its industry context. If you want higher baseline allocations, that's fair feedback. But it's a different discussion than accusing them of deception.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ahofmann »

arccy wrote: post #111
ivanr wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment doesn't match what's written on the very page you quote: https://upcloud.com/fair-transfer-policy > Even if you exceed your monthly share, don’t worry, there are no excess fees. We will simply notify you of reaching the fair transfer policy and may reduce the bandwidth of your Cloud Servers to 100 Mbps for the rest of the month. EDIT For completeness, there is also: > If you believe to require more trans…

> Never pay for network transfer, even when your business takes off. Redirect savings towards accelerating your business growth. If your network speed is capped, that's a bandwidth limit that can break things, especially "when your business takes off"

While this is technically true, it is almost every time false in this case. The network traffic scales with the CPU resources, you use on UpCloud. I know that, because I used their services.

But it would have been enough to just read the links, that are posted here. I encourage everyone to do the same, before posting stuff that is irrelevant and/or plain wrong.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by lentil_soup »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31
purerandomness wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, do you have a source for your claims? > German and UK citizens got canceled, fined or SWATTED for calling their elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media Being "canceled" isn't a defined term. Being SWATted has nothing to do with state censorship, it's people abusing emergency services. Getting a fine by the government for calling "elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media" would be the only thing…

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> There's no point in me putting the effort to dig them up and share them here for the hundredth time again

Went looking through your comments to find those mysterious sources and couldn't find the hundred times you've posted them. Mind doing it once more?

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by musha68k »

scandox wrote: post #48

There's a lot of negativity and nit picking here. Upcloud are OK, Hetzner are better in my opinion for a lot of things. Nothing is perfect and European providers need to start somewhere. We all know there are tradeoffs and limitations but there's no need for a pile on.

Swiss https://www.exoscale.com/ also needs an obligatory mention here.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ivan_gammel »

janmo wrote: post #103
ivan_gammel wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me this statement only makes sense if it explains why an American law enforcement agency can hack a foreign server without an American warrant. And it just demonstrates the limits of American privacy protection. If you think this was about European legal system, you are mistaken. If Americans were hacking European servers without due process involving European authorities, this was probably highly illegal here.

There is a pattern: Silk Road, SkyECC, EncroChat, TorMail+Freedom Hosting. What do they all have in common? Their servers were found or their encryption were broken under mysterious circumstances involving classified "techniques". In 3 out 4 cases malware was sent from the services to their users once taken over. All were hosted in the EU, even stranger, all of them had servers hosted by OVH. Although SR was not dire…

It doesn’t make sense to build a conspiracy theory on randomly selected facts, when there’s an obvious explanation that in all those cases the law was broken and law enforcement acted as they were supposed to act. Other ISPs and hosting providers are cooperating with lawful requests too.
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