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European Cloud, Global Reach

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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by piokoch »

This is missing the point. Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive.

I guess they can win some clients, given current hostility of Europe against Trump, but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA or what if in 4 year Dems will figure out why they lost in 2024 and find someone less lame, who will win election, whom Europe will like again?

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by ohgr »

rustc wrote: post #16

This is a strange page: https://upcloud.com/products/zero-cost-egress There's "zero cost egress" mentioned all over the page but the limits on https://upcloud.com/fair-transfer-policy are comparable to other hosts like DigitalOcean: the cheapest 7 EUR VPS has a limit of 1TB of bandwidth. (For comparison, Hetzner offers 20TB on their EU VPS for under $5.) > Say goodbye to unpredictable egress costs and hello to our ze…

Yeah they’re going bankrupt in a couple of months.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#23

Post by lifestyleguru »

aborsy wrote: post #17

The only reason you may use these EU version of services is that you are in Europe. Otherwise EU is worse in terms of privacy. UK (while not officially in Europe) goes even beyond, requiring backdooor to iCloud and non-eu providers.

"Privacy" went down the drain long time ago. It's good to be aware of the worst offending policies of specific countries and providers. UK and Germany take inglorious lead. Is it worth considering the alternative is consolidated abuse by oligopoly of US providers? Your choice.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#24

Post by graemep »

breakingcups wrote: post #19
graemep wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is only for their public site. The US provider has a European presence (the error page is clear I am seeing Cloudflare London). Started working for me while typing this.

You say that, but their login page / dashboard is hosted on the same IP, also through Cloudflare.

I had not noticed that. Thanks. Not good.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by bjarneh »

> (GDPR) is the best-known European standard. After all, it’s hard to miss the opportunity to reject cookies on European websites. But there’s far more to data security.

We should not be bragging about that "security", those cookie pop-ups are just a pointless annoyance. At least I guess we can all agree that there is far more to data security :-)

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#26

Post by FirmwareBurner »

sschueller wrote: post #18
aborsy wrote: post #17

The only reason you may use these EU version of services is that you are in Europe. Otherwise EU is worse in terms of privacy. UK (while not officially in Europe) goes even beyond, requiring backdooor to iCloud and non-eu providers.

> Otherwise EU is worse in terms of privacy Please elaborate how the EU is worse (UK doesn't count). Worse than what other country and how?

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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by IanCal »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #20

Love the fact that hacker news comments are absolutely pulling up on this website. They are blatantly lying in many of their offerings ( zero cost egress see the rustc comment) and so much more. Wha? Why are you lying. Why are you being deceptive. How can I trust a company which is this level of deceptive.

> They are blatantly lying in many of their offerings ( zero cost egress see the rustc comment)

But the linked pages in that comment say they do have zero cost egress. If you cross their "fair use" amount they drop the upload speed to 100mbps for the rest of the month.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

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Post by purerandomness »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Otherwise EU is worse in terms of privacy Please elaborate how the EU is worse (UK doesn't count). Worse than what other country and how?

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I'm curious, do you have a source for your claims?

> German and UK citizens got canceled, fined or SWATTED for calling their elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media

Being "canceled" isn't a defined term. Being SWATted has nothing to do with state censorship, it's people abusing emergency services.

Getting a fine by the government for calling "elected rules stupid/corrupt on social media" would be the only thing you mentioned that would count as state censorship. Do you have a link to a case where this happened?

> in Germany you get a fine for downloading a song/movie

You don't get a fine for legally downloading movies.

There's an industry of lawyers profiting off of IP and copyright laws, yes.

Not being able to pirate movies isn't state censorship.

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