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Post by wqaatwt »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #103
gmac wrote: post #46

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> Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons Yes, and those political/cultural reasons are: let's not subsidise people who repeatedly and in public make unambiguous Nazi salutes. TBH it would be nice if those sentiments were spread a bit more widely than Europe.

Absolutely, people in Europe want nothing to do with the Nazis. That's why they drive Volkswagen .

By that standard pretty much every major German company established before the 50s is somehow “nazi”.

Then again I don’t see how can someone seriously say stuff like that, in what way is modern VW related to nazis?

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Post by anon22981 »

VincentEvans wrote: post #68
lnsru wrote: post #55

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Model 3/y are still the best priced electrical vehicles on the market. There are enough poor people that can’t afford the new Mercedes CLA and must drive model 3 instead. I wouldn’t invite Elon for lunch, but I wouldn’t invite German brand managers either.

As an apparently “poor person” owner of model 3 bought used, who it seems “must drive” it - I dislike the whiff of elitism in your post. What must your world look like that you consider a 30K off-lease car a poor person’s last resort vehicle…. It might surprise you - as having never owned an EV before - I turned to Tesla because I thought of it as buying a trend-setting vehicle from a pioneering car maker that envisi…

The point is still kind of valid, it is a decently affordable EV compared to many other ”luxury” EVs. They also had (have?) very cheap payment options available. I’d suspect the expenses are a big factor in the purchasing decision.

edit: obviously it’s not a car for poor people as it is still very expensive. I understand your point too.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck

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Post by llamaimperative »

actionfromafar wrote: post #130
llamaimperative wrote: post #39

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Tesla would be dead in the water actually because its products are shit compared to what’s available today. They had a massive lead where a sub-Corolla quality build could sell for $60k+ because EV, and squandered it.

Corolla is pretty good.

It’s excellent for its price point! Not so much for the $75-$120k Tesla price tag.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck

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Post by anon22981 »

nrjames wrote: post #122

Musk and Tesla could have dominated the US EV market for years to come had he stuck with the core clean energy message and not surrounded himself with sycophants and publicly acted like a racist jerk. It’s like a modern retelling of The Emperor’s New Clothes.

Not the US but most EV markets, apart from maybe eventually asian markets. Tesla and Musk had a crazy amount of goodwill and pretty much everyone I know was ”oh look, it’s a Tesla!” early on. Now every is more like ”oh look, it’s a Tesla..”

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

stnikolauswagne wrote: post #114
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #89

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>but up immensely compared to France and the UK (which do not) Do not what? >do you have a decent dataset on #sick days by any chance? I mean just google. For example: https://www.nzz.ch/english/why-europes-appetite-for-work-is-...

>but up immensely compared to France and the UK (which do not) Have decent sick pay, france seems to pay 20%, UK like 10ish%, makes complete sense that such countries would have less sick days. >I mean just google. For example: This is the kind of mediocre dataset I dislike, going to their datasource ( https://gateway.euro.who.int/en/indicators/hfa_411-2700-abse... ) half of germanys neighbours have not reported data…

In France you only get 20% pay while sick? WTF, I thought France was a socialist worker's paradise.

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Post by wqaatwt »

ben_w wrote: post #18
oblio wrote: post #2

Tesla post 2020 is an interesting experiment in automaking. I'm fairly convinced that if the US wouldn't protect it's internal markets so much, both Apple and Tesla would probably be gone in maximum 10 years. Maybe not gone as much as greatly diminished.

Tesla is on paper 20x overvalued even against other American car manufacturers like Ford (Tesla P/E ~120, Ford ~6), and I don't see many American cars being highly competitive against Chinese brands whose premium range starts around where American brands put their budget range. Apple, not so clear. Always expensive, but in the sense of only having a premium range and not catering to budget markets, they're priced lik…

Looking at PE in isolation doesn’t make much sense. For starters Tesla has very little debt compared to Ford and other major car companies.

Of course it’s still massively overvalued especially if their sales collapse across most of the world this year (which seems to be the case).

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Post by nodoll »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #41

Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…

>MAGA

I haven't seen anything that would tell me that these are very smart people. But what it tells me is that they are just NOT very very dumb.

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Post by wqaatwt »

llamaimperative wrote: post #153
actionfromafar wrote: post #130

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Corolla is pretty good.

It’s excellent for its price point! Not so much for the $75-$120k Tesla price tag.

Isn’t Tesla’s price point closer to $40-50k though?

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Post by wqaatwt »

guappa wrote: post #110
milesrout wrote: post #31

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That is because iPhones are better and the US is much richer than Europe on average.

So according to you Albania is massively richer than USA? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...

These stats are absurdly incorrect and nonsensical. Iphone has 81% of the market in Lithuania of all places? Sure..

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Post by wqaatwt »

drstewart wrote: post #60
jakupovic wrote: post #36

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Thanks for your opinion. Oh forgot, lol. Markets are efficient and if the Europeans and rest of the world are not married to a US company(Apple) that doesn't mean the other product is inferior, the Samsung phone for example.

Now explain why iPhone is more popular in Denmark, Norway, Monaco, Andorra, Iceland, Sweden, Japan, Switzerland than they are even in the US. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma... Efficient markets at work, right?

It might be more popular in those countries but backing these claims using random maps that are clearly incorrect doesn’t really do much to strengthen your argument.
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