Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…
Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
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Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no concept of "sick days" here in Germany like there is back in the US. You're either sick or you're not. If you're sick you don't go to work. If you're sick more than 3 days, you get a doctor's note. If you're stick more than a month or something (I forget the exact amount of time) then insurance takes over to help pay your wage so your employer isn't completely hosed. Ultimately, you're not penalized for be…
>If you're stick more than a month or something (I forget the exact amount of time) then insurance takes over to help pay your wage so your employer isn't completely hosed Doesn't employers being forced to paying wages to sick employees for 6 weeks take a toll on small businesses with little cashflow? >There's no concept of "sick days" here in Germany like there is back in the US. No, but sick days are still not work…
Bit of both, I think. German winters are nasty, cold, and damp, it has the third-highest median age behind Japan and Italy, kids universally go to kindergarten to bring germs home, and it has a culture where you don't show up if actually ill - it's worth noting that a non-sick day does not mean a productive day, especially if your colleagues catch your illness.
But also, Germans are pretty intense, despite their image of relaxed, easy-going people*. In my experience, they're very dedicated, but also take no shit. I can well see that if they think the work balance is not right, or they're not treated like human beings or getting a fair deal in some manner, they'll take it upon themselves to make it fair. If your company acts like a typical American one, I can well see a culture clash. Anecdotal, of course.
*it's a joke. I love you, Germans.
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no concept of "sick days" here in Germany like there is back in the US. You're either sick or you're not. If you're sick you don't go to work. If you're sick more than 3 days, you get a doctor's note. If you're stick more than a month or something (I forget the exact amount of time) then insurance takes over to help pay your wage so your employer isn't completely hosed. Ultimately, you're not penalized for be…
>If you're stick more than a month or something (I forget the exact amount of time) then insurance takes over to help pay your wage so your employer isn't completely hosed Doesn't employers being forced to paying wages to sick employees for 6 weeks take a toll on small businesses with little cashflow? >There's no concept of "sick days" here in Germany like there is back in the US. No, but sick days are still not work…
> If you look at recent statistics, German workers are at the top of sick days used, twice as much sick days than the EU average, which is an insane difference. So what's going on? Is there a health crisis in Germany causing Germans to be twice as sick as their neighbors? Or are they twice as likely to cheat the system? Or a bit of both?
Both are obviously factors, but there is also another category, people who are legitimately stressed to a degree that affects their health but who are forced to continue working in other jurisdictions due to the lack of employee protections.
All labour is exploited - the degree to which it is is limited by law in each country. Germany just allows less severe exploitation than Ireland or Austria or - obviously - the United States.
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allegedly, the Cybertruck is the first car Musk was involved in designing. All the previous Tesla models were variants of the designs produced before Musk bought the company.
Later than it was supposed to be. More expensive than it was supposed to be. Not as much range as it was supposed to have. Not the exoskeleton design it was said to be. Not bulletproof like it was claimed to be. The whole thing is a pile of engineering WTF. The enormous wiper that leaves a huge amount of the windshield untouched, when it manages to work at all. The wheel support structures from other Tesla models bei…
The "headlights shelf" is because the protruding bumper is designed to be lower, to make the vehicle compatible with other cars during a crash, in order to protect the safety of other cars.
Anyway, the Cybertruck is a uniquely fun to drive and nimble truck thanks to its four wheel steering and steer by wire. The F-150 Lightning feels like a clumsy relic in comparison. It's just an innovative vehicle with a bunch of early teething problems. The amount of hate it's getting is way overblown.
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If you're stick more than a month or something (I forget the exact amount of time) then insurance takes over to help pay your wage so your employer isn't completely hosed Doesn't employers being forced to paying wages to sick employees for 6 weeks take a toll on small businesses with little cashflow? >There's no concept of "sick days" here in Germany like there is back in the US. No, but sick days are still not work…
Bit of both, I think. German winters are nasty, cold, and damp, it has the third-highest median age behind Japan and Italy, kids universally go to kindergarten to bring germs home, and it has a culture where you don't show up if actually ill - it's worth noting that a non-sick day does not mean a productive day, especially if your colleagues catch your illness. But also, Germans are pretty intense, despite their imag…
>German winters are nasty, cold, and damp
Worse than Nordics/Scandinavia or neighboring Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Poland? They don't have winter clothing in Germany?
> If your company acts like a typical American one, I can well see a culture clash.
Most of German workers work for German companies following German laws and German culture, not American companies. So why twice the sick days versus EU neighbours?
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#46Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…
> Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons
Yes, and those political/cultural reasons are: let's not subsidise people who repeatedly and in public make unambiguous Nazi salutes.
TBH it would be nice if those sentiments were spread a bit more widely than Europe.
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#47Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…
> Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons Yes, and those political/cultural reasons are: let's not subsidise people who repeatedly and in public make unambiguous Nazi salutes. TBH it would be nice if those sentiments were spread a bit more widely than Europe.
It would sell great in Hungary...if they could afford it...
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#48Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…
> Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons Yes, and those political/cultural reasons are: let's not subsidise people who repeatedly and in public make unambiguous Nazi salutes. TBH it would be nice if those sentiments were spread a bit more widely than Europe.
The sad part is that his nazi salutes don’t even top the list...
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#49Tesla is done in Europe for political/cultural reasons. Tesla is done in Asia for competitive reasons but I think that Cybertrucks could be the nail in the coffin for even the most MAGA brainwashed Elon fan, once they drive it…
Tesla is done in the US as well. The brand damage is irreparable at this point with at least 50 percent of the population.
Re: Tesla Cybertruck deliveries on hold as trims are flying off 'bulletproof' truck
#50Tesla post 2020 is an interesting experiment in automaking. I'm fairly convinced that if the US wouldn't protect it's internal markets so much, both Apple and Tesla would probably be gone in maximum 10 years. Maybe not gone as much as greatly diminished.
Tesla is on paper 20x overvalued even against other American car manufacturers like Ford (Tesla P/E ~120, Ford ~6), and I don't see many American cars being highly competitive against Chinese brands whose premium range starts around where American brands put their budget range. Apple, not so clear. Always expensive, but in the sense of only having a premium range and not catering to budget markets, they're priced lik…
Whenever I talked about this with Tesla fans they kept parroting this line about Tesla being "a battery company that also makes cars" or similar. I can understand that this (having some non-car products and a charging network) grants them an advantage of sorts, but they're by far and away the most valuable company by market cap, while having a fraction of the sales of companies like Toyota, GM, Honda etc. It's like the market is expecting Tesla to explode in sales in the coming years and I can't see it, not just because people are turning on Elon Musk but because I don't know if they can even build enough cars to meet that expected valuation if that demand was actually there.