don't european values include Monarchy?
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#82I am working on this, and here are my personal observations thus far;
# Low hanging fruit:
- Food and clothes, like Coca Cola, Snickers, Nike, Levis, The North Face etc
- Mondelez. This is hard because they own so much. But obvious things like Oreo and Corn Flakes are easy.
- Social Media I rarely use. For me this was Snapchat, Instagram, WhatsApp, X, Bluesky and Messenger.
# Harder to ditch
- Facebook. Family :(
- Microsoft; Windows, VSCode, MS Teams, GitHub
- Google; Gmail is my primary for 15+ years, gDrive, gCalendar, google.com
- Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure.
- Streaming: YouTube, NetFlix, HBO and Disney+. This will be difficult.
- LLM, Claude and OpenAI-things
- Steam
- Discord
- My Tesla model Y.
# Impossible
- Smart Phone OS: Google Android or Apple iPhone/iOS
- Intel / AMD, hardware in general is difficult
So, this is all work in progress, but I keep this document in my Google Drive (gah!) and I'm adding more stuff every day and trying to shift my habbits.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Startup CEO from Europe here. How am I supposed to turn a blind eye to the risk that the dependency from the US has become lately?
How is US dependency a risk?
How are you not aware that the US painted "we are no longer a reliable partner" all above the sky?
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#84Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.
Some US companies may represent European values but are still operating under the thumb and law of the US.
The philosophy here (as I understand it) is to list companies that operate under the EU rule of law.
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#85Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values
#86Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.
What are European values, actually? I don't think there is a lot that all member state citizens actually share, except for a lot of wishful thinking.
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#87Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.
*Support European values financially.
Local circulation and tax payment does make a big and positive difference for many things (e.g., less transport for physical goods). Doesn't require the first recipient to be aligned with your values to have an effect.
It's just unfortunate that it had to be forced for stupid reasons, especially as it doesn't necessarily make sense for everything. This timeline sucks.
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#88Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.
I remember hearing a talk of a tech guy who say why do techies like to talk about politics so much, and he said it's because tech-inclined people can see what the technology can do, and how it can be abused, and some want to warn the rest of the public.
Imagine if East Germany's state security service have the surveillance tech of China. Aha oops, I guess you don't need to imagine, you just have to look at China.
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#89Why add "Support European Values" to the title when I can't find it anywhere on the page? Pointless inclusion for something with quite the potential for polemics... EDIT: whoops, either I'm blind or some JS blocking hid it from my eyes...
Is this polemic? Seem more like it is a choice people can make, same as American freedom fries.
Yes, and it's just as cringy as freedom fries.
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#90Sure, but its turtles all the way down. How many are hosted on AWS, Google or Microsoft? How many are using Windows or macOS? How many use nvidia, etc.
Absence of a (high-level services) cloud provider is a big problem. I hope that changes at some point, but probably impossible to start something like that without measures in place to make the existing offering less attractive.
Imagine GDPR, but for infra — that's the stuff of nightmares.
"EU Committee on Kubernetes."
By the way, that's exactly what China and Russia did — no AWS, GCP, or Azure there.