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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#61

Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.

Startup CEO from Europe here. How am I supposed to turn a blind eye to the risk that the dependency from the US has become lately?

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#64

It’s so iconic that they have a cookie banner covering 60% of my phone screen.

I know there is some rule about commenting about this on HN, but a website about "buy European made" that immediately starts with _two_ cookie banners about "Your privacy rights under _US_ state privacy laws" does seem weird. (I'm not in the US)

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#65
Even ignoring the moral and ethical values, doing business with US based companies seems much more risky now. I'm specifically thinking of:

1) tariffs / trade wars and

2) The big tech's total and swift capitulation to Donal and Elon. They have shown themselves to be totally spineless and pathetic. Why is that a risk? Donald is erratic. What if you prime minister piss off Trump in some way, and he orders US companies to pause business with your country? What happens to you AWS? Or your Google account? Or even Office?

2) might seem far-fetched to you, but there's a million ways this could happen. Cutting off all support to Ukraine seemed far-fetched to me at least, just a few months ago :(

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#66
post #13

Sure, but its turtles all the way down. How many are hosted on AWS, Google or Microsoft? How many are using Windows or macOS? How many use nvidia, etc.

Who says it's not all linux and Hetzner/OVH? No need to assume the worsr based on no data.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#67
European values, like consumer protection, privacy, and environmental standards, are, in my view, among the best in the world. However, bureaucracy and politics push them in the wrong direction or tie everything up. I had never thought much about this before, but I now plan to look more into supporting European industries. However, only for products of comparable quality. If a product doesn’t measure up, I don’t see many people choosing it just for the sake of buying European.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not every european company embodies european values. What even are "European values"? Is there such thing? Every EU country I know has varying values to the other members, that's why we have separate borders, languages, religions, cultures and laws with autonomy over them. The EU is not one-nation one-culture like the US, but an org that doesn't impose any kind of universal values across the different diverse member…

There is broad consensus in Europe that we don't want to be like Trumpist America.

>There is broad consensus in Europe..

How is this measured actually? By what the media and public institutions say?

Is there poll targeted at the common working man that says the same? I highly doubts so.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

This is a great point where nationality does not reflect political values. Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, put into words, shared and progressed, it would have much greater value to a consumer and the world than merely going back to nationalism and protectionism.

> If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, put into words, shared and progressed...

Being a cynic, I expect the speeches to start with that then smoothly translate into "and therefore we have to spend more money on waging war in foreign countries". The US is exemplifying some of the best international values right now of trying to find a sharp end to all the meaningless dying we've been seeing for the last few years.

If it takes nationalism to make people serious about avoiding WWIII, so be it. Vote nationalist.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

Signal comes from the country where the Prism [1] is still functioning. While it has open source, NSA can request from deployers on any stage to inject surveillance functionality: request from Signal authors, from Android / Apple Store repository maintainers and probably many other actors on the deployment chain to my mobile phone.

I could install it from sources but I do not have any guarantee my message sent to my friend is not eye-picked by PRISM on his phone.

Open-source + marketing copy != final product

Just a regular reminder, guys.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

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