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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.

Is avoiding politics what Zuckerberg did when he rolled back fact-checking?

Since when has the hypercapitalist Silicon Valley ever avoided politics?

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#72

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While every country has its own culture and values, the European union is founded, at least theoretically, on some shared values such as promoting peace, democracy (...) Well, one might say that we sell weapons to dictatorships (and they would be correct), but at least on paper there are some shared values we more or less share throughout European union. Full list here: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-cou…

Promoting peace and democracy? By arresting politicians opposed to them and funding and supporting wars?

Maybe be specific, are there any specific wars you find undemocratic. Afganistan and Iraq was heavily debated, the attack on Ukraine is seen as an attack on Europe but is also heavily debated.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#73

Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.

Startup CEO from Europe here. How am I supposed to turn a blind eye to the risk that the dependency from the US has become lately?

How is US dependency a risk?

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#74

Why add "Support European Values" to the title when I can't find it anywhere on the page? Pointless inclusion for something with quite the potential for polemics... EDIT: whoops, either I'm blind or some JS blocking hid it from my eyes...

Also the entire site keeps in the dark who is behind this initiative. You can become a coordinator / collaborator and "Reach out to our team at catzlaura@proton.me". Whose team? I always find campaigns like these with anonymous groups behind it kind of fishy. Have a honest campaign? Make yourself known.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#75

Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.

No, because politics are essential. Yes, they are annoying. Yes, they are difficult at time, but they are important.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#76

Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.

Buying from local vendors doesn't have to do anything with politics. From groceries to software it makes perfect sense to me to buying locally. The money i spend in my town or country will have much bigger effect here again than when i spend it in a different country or even a continent

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

What are European values, actually? I don't think there is a lot that all member state citizens actually share, except for a lot of wishful thinking.

Replace European with Cosmopolitan values. There are no unified European values, as the states of Europe are quite diverse. But there is significant cultural homogeneity for a subset of the population, the cosmopolitans. They tend to be the elites and form these kind of discourses. They use the term European values, mostly unaware of their cosmopolitan nature.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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>Not every european company embodies european values. What even are "European values"? Is there such thing? Every EU country I know has varying values to the other members, that's why we have separate borders, languages, religions, cultures and laws with autonomy over them. The EU is not one-nation one-culture like the US, but an org that doesn't impose any kind of universal values across the different diverse member…

While every country has its own culture and values, the European union is founded, at least theoretically, on some shared values such as promoting peace, democracy (...) Well, one might say that we sell weapons to dictatorships (and they would be correct), but at least on paper there are some shared values we more or less share throughout European union. Full list here: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-cou…

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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

Am I missing something? The only alternative offered for Signal is a Matrix client. Matrix is open-source and federated, so, well, can really embody whoever's values you feel like. Though it, ah, certainly lacks something in _usability_.
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