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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

I'm not sure that's the best example, as Signal places a strong emphasis on personal freedoms which is _not_ particularly representative of European values at this time.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#22

Ah ha. Is this the start of MAIA - "Make America Irrelevant Again"? Do they really need the help? Seems like their about to do a great job on that already... ;-)

I don't see this as an attack, but rather a push for independence from the US. I don't want America to be irrelevant, but i don't feel like I can trust them as much as I did before. Both private and in business.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#23
post #13

Sure, but its turtles all the way down. How many are hosted on AWS, Google or Microsoft? How many are using Windows or macOS? How many use nvidia, etc.

You could say that ASML (Netherlands) and TSMC (Taiwan) are the final turtles though.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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post #13

Sure, but its turtles all the way down. How many are hosted on AWS, Google or Microsoft? How many are using Windows or macOS? How many use nvidia, etc.

There's a size point at which rolling your own infrastructure is worth it, and may get government support. Help grow companies you want to see succeed.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

>Not every european company embodies european values. What even are "European values"? Is there such thing? Every EU country I know has varying values to the other members, that's why we have separate borders, languages, religions, cultures and laws with autonomy over them. The EU is not one-nation one-culture like the US, but an org that doesn't impose any kind of universal values across the different diverse member…

While every country has its own culture and values, the European union is founded, at least theoretically, on some shared values such as promoting peace, democracy (...)

Well, one might say that we sell weapons to dictatorships (and they would be correct), but at least on paper there are some shared values we more or less share throughout European union. Full list here: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...

Edit Wikipedia page as well https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_values

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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post #11
post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

This is a great point where nationality does not reflect political values. Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. If a global set of "Don't be an asshole" values could be defined, put into words, shared and progressed, it would have much greater value to a consumer and the world than merely going back to nationalism and protectionism.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians.

I can’t speak for Russia because I have no data, but most Americans don’t carry the opinion of this government.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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post #13

Sure, but its turtles all the way down. How many are hosted on AWS, Google or Microsoft? How many are using Windows or macOS? How many use nvidia, etc.

You could say that ASML (Netherlands) and TSMC (Taiwan) are the final turtles though.

Yes, but still important question for the future.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#29

Why add "Support European Values" to the title when I can't find it anywhere on the page? Pointless inclusion for something with quite the potential for polemics... EDIT: whoops, either I'm blind or some JS blocking hid it from my eyes...

I see it when I click, it's literally big black text on white background, both mobile and desktop view

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#30

Why add "Support European Values" to the title when I can't find it anywhere on the page? Pointless inclusion for something with quite the potential for polemics... EDIT: whoops, either I'm blind or some JS blocking hid it from my eyes...

For me, "Support European Values." is prominently displayed on the page.
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