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Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by 6SixTy »

jklinger410 wrote: post #57

Somewhat tangential: JEEP products that are not the traditional Wrangler and all of it's myriad variations are most likely the worst American vehicles ever made. I'm talking the Grand Cherokee, Wagoneer, Compass, etc. This crap is being tried on that vehicle because JEEP drivers are some of the least discerning car buyers on the market. A perfect test bed for the most toxic features American manufacturers can imagine…

I'd probably never buy a Ram/Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep brand car if I can avoid it. There's a reason why Chrysler joined with Fiat, then Fiat-Chrysler turned into Stellantis. And none of them are a ringing endorsement.

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Post by seanw444 »

rikafurude21 wrote: post #79
mikepurvis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I intended on using mine that way, but honestly the built in Netflix and USB stick player are decent enough. As long as your receiver does the eARC thing it should all be fine.

It's always the convienent features that kill privacy. Sadly you have to put in more effort if you care about privacy at all

Convenience and privacy are typically mutually exclusive.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by Workaccount2 »

The likely outcome of this is going to be cars that will shove ads in your face, play repeatedly over the ad-fotainment system, and will track every movement you make, every place you visit, and require you to sign in with an account in order to drive it.

This will allow the car to be sold for thousands less, effectively allowing you to trade your soul for a $1000 down $150/mo lease of an otherwise bare bones car.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by photonthug »

Retric wrote: post #23
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just like nowadays you can't buy a "dumb TV" You can, if you buy used. I know it's weird to buy a used TV, but they cost pennies on the dollar and you can get some really nice models without today's ubiquitous annoyances. Same goes for cars. If enough people refrain from buying new cars, and put in the effort to keep their older cars on the road, maybe manufacturers will take the hint.

Or just modify them. People used to replace their stereo, I suspect there would be a real market for add free infotainment systems.

> or just modify them

Sorry but this is just not an appropriate level of outrage and reads like corporate apologism. If you go to the doctor for a broken arm, you don’t expect to get an inner ear implant whispering “wouldn’t you like a Coca Cola?” as part of the fix. Sure maybe another doctor will take it out, but it’s abusive and unnecessary, and fixing the abuse after the fact is just extra cost for the customer.

In any sane world, the market would recognize that thirsty bullshit like this is a signal that the perpetrators are completely out of ideas in their field and have started grasping at tiny amounts of cash they can get by selling their customers instead of their products, rather than being in it for the long term. In other words.. all in on looting the brand value, taking the money, and exiting ASAP.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by akomtu »

Corporations is a clever way of organising people in such a way that all humanity in them is suppressed and whatever little evil in them is empowered. Corporations do so by putting a mask on employees that lets them act anonymously, on behalf of the corporation, and creating the only objective metric - profit. Anything that goes against this metric is ignored, and the few ideas that grow this metric are empowered. No normal person would dare to approach a Jeep customer face to face and try to poison his car with ads: such a confrontation would be unbearable to anyone with a somewhat functioning moral compass. However the same person can do this easily when covered by the corporate mask: not needing to confront the customer openly makes it much more bearable. Corporations wouldn't be able to do this with a bunch of saints - those would just sit idle and refuse to do this evil shit even under the mask of anonymity, but so long as some employees have a seed of evil in them and a bit of creativity, corporations will make that seed grow.

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by npongratz »

lenerdenator wrote: post #91
hu3 wrote: post #59

Reason #999 for preferring home office. Soon long commutes will mean even more exposure to ads. It was already the case with billboards anyway. Now billboards are being forced inside your car.

If there's one thing that might save us here, it's that ads within the vehicle, delivered via the entertainment system unexpectedly, are a potential safety hazard.

I can just hear the pitch to auto CEOs and "business development" execs:

"... now with full self-driving! Where your captive audience can't use the safety excuse for avoiding your very important and lucrative propaganda!"

Re: Jeep owners fed up with in-car pop-up ads

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Post by timewizard »

iAMkenough wrote: post #73
ypeterholmes wrote: post #2

Advertising has gotten out of control. What's bizarre to me is that the people violating us are literally the ones who want something from us. Is there no way to boycott anyone advertising in our car? AND the car itself of course.

> Is there no way to boycott anyone advertising in our car? AND the car itself of course. The obvious boycott would be to sell the car and never buy a Jeep again. Until the next car you buy is also updated to include ads and quietly sell tracking data they've collected about your family, so then you sell that car and never buy from that manufacturer again either. Then before you know it, you end up buying an American…

> The obvious boycott would be to sell the car

The overwhelming majority of people finance their vehicles. It's not even their car to sell.

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Post by seanw444 »

colechristensen wrote: post #55
spudlyo wrote: post #6

You wouldn't run an ad blocker on your car... > But the problem could presage a more significant issue for future drivers. Last year, Ford filed a patent for an in-car advertising system that would use the car’s speakers and display screen to serve ads to drivers and passengers. That system would also use the car’s GPS tracker to serve ads relevant to the driver’s route. This is some Black Mirror type dystopian visio…

In car infotainment advertising needs to be banned at the state level, likewise much of the telemetry they send home. State legislation is good for this kind of thing. Like you cannot sell a car with this feature in the state or display such advertising while on state roads, possibly even you cannot register a car in the state with this feature.

All it'd take really is one or two of the big states banning it, and they'd be financially incentivized to disable it for all markets. That's how it seems to have gone for other things in the past.

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Post by psunavy03 »

ericmay wrote: post #31
spudlyo wrote: post #6

You wouldn't run an ad blocker on your car... > But the problem could presage a more significant issue for future drivers. Last year, Ford filed a patent for an in-car advertising system that would use the car’s speakers and display screen to serve ads to drivers and passengers. That system would also use the car’s GPS tracker to serve ads relevant to the driver’s route. This is some Black Mirror type dystopian visio…

Car-only infrastructure which is pervasive in America is a liability to the country and the economy. I can just not buy a TV and my life is great. Probably better. I can't not buy a car except in a few select locations if I want to participate in the economy. That's both dangerous and fragile.

At some point I really don't get how people can't just accept that historically, the US is a car-centric suburban-centric culture, and that's just who we largely are. If you want to do things like improve the environment, you can either scream and stamp your feet about it or you can meet people where they are and devise solutions that work in a car-centric culture.

It just is what it is, like Brits drinking tea, Scandinavians liking their saunas, or the French being obnoxious about Frenchness.

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