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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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I see no reason for this to get flagged. Not every heated comment section deserves a flag, and no one is insulting each other. If it’s done by the mods, I think we deserve an explanation.

Most stories critical of Musk are flagged regardless of the topic. It's not done by dang - he regularly unflags them.

That's true. But uncritical ones are flagged just as much as critical ones (if not more), so I think we can guess at the common variable.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

Replacing a Tesla with a Chinese EV is like replacing a person who wants to commit genocide with a person who actually commits genocide.

Chinese EV's do not have any moral superiority over Tesla and I would not be caught driving either.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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post #112

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

Replacing a Tesla with a Chinese EV is like replacing a person who wants to commit genocide with a person who actually commits genocide. Chinese EV's do not have any moral superiority over Tesla and I would not be caught driving either.

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Getting service for a Tesla in the US can be pretty unpleasant. They’ve gone from truly excellent service to not wanting to interact with their owners and managing parts availability quite poorly.

Don't worry, everybody else is following suit and not selling parts for new cars either. My friend just bought a new GM vehicle, and it sat in the bodyshop for 9 months after someone hit the bumper at 5mph.

There's also the recent story about a guy running a limo business who couldn't get a bumper for his Cadillac, and had to keep making commercial insurance payments, and of course the car payment, while the car sat and could not be used. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/gm-keeps-86k-cadillac-lyri...

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. Probably depends on the country? I see a ton of BYDs on the road here (Austria).

Germany: 2.891 new BYDs compared to 232.886 new BMWs in 2024. I haven't seen one yet, even though I usually check for new cars.

I see a bunch of them in the Netherlands. Dutch people have no allegiance to anything but their wallet and like experimenting.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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> I live in San Mateo County, CA Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.

Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons?

There have been cheap used Teslas for years. Just was searching Cragslist a few months ago, and found Model Ss for $15-20k.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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post #8

Well, Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running. Seems a likely candidate to be again. This is probably due to flipping over inventory for the new Model Y to launch

> Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running Teslas were cool for two years running. Look, the MAGA market is a big one. But it’s silly to think something as personal as a car won’t be affected by Musk’s politics. (We aren’t even in the phase where Tesla gets hit with targeted counter-tariffs.)

There's no real reason to think the "MAGA market" won't make up for the lost sales of the leftist market, or that it's particularly big swing either way ( most people don't care about politics and just want the best product )

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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FSD makes Tesla superior to any car out there. No other car comes even close. Although I heard that FSD was already crippled in eu so maybe they aren't missing out as much.

I live in the US and I bought a Tesla in early 2020, it's easily the worst purchase I've ever made. The build quality is crap, the interior cheap feeling, and yes I got FSD and that is the worst part. FSD is only adequate in bumper to bumper traffic. Any other scenario it's not good enough to drive itself without you babysitting it. So if you have to babysit it, what's the point? It's actually worse to babysit it tha…

I bought mine in 2019 and another in 2024, they're the best cars I've ever driven.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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My neighbor -- a very earnest, smart, progressive 27 year old working in alternative energy -- bought one just before the election. His deposit went in sometime in the spring. He was super excited about it at first, but the spring in his step is much reduced now. I feel bad for him. I mean, true life, I think most people have pretty good experiences with Teslas. The brand was pretty resilient vs. Elon's shenanigans u…

> the spring in his step is much reduced now

Musk hasn't suddenly changed in the past few months. His deranged/racist behaviour has been going on for years. What has prompted your neighbour to regret his purchase?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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At least in the US, as long as the charging infrastructure is no better than it is, if you're planning on taking any long trips and you want to do it in an EV, I don't see any alternative to Tesla. And, yes, I know that other brands can now use designated Superchargers and maybe that's enough, but given how few those designations are I doubt it.

> if you're planning on taking any long trips and you want to do it in an EV, I don't see any alternative to Tesla. I've taken several long trips in a non-Tesla EV in the United States over the last few years. Never had a problem. Almost every interaction with a public DCFC has been plug and go. Only recently got a NACS->CCS adapter, still haven't needed to use it in about a year since I got it.

Will be making a cross country trip next month and explicitly avoiding any Tesla chargers. Planning to share my anecdotal experience. My car has an API so I can get trip and charging details to make for a nice HN data driven post
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