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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by alephnerd »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #47
alephnerd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure about Austria, but these are the cross-EU stats [0]. And in the largest EU markets (Germany, France, Italy, Spain), it's overwhelmingly local players. Chinese players have started gaining some traction, but that's overwhelmingly Geely via Volvo. And Geely began their expansion abroad largely due to domestic competition within China, with most consumers preferring either a BYD or a Tesla. [0] - https://ww…

That link talks about H1 2024 and says this about BYD: > BYD registered 17,000 electric cars - 14,000 more compared to H1 2023. In fact, BYD’s rapid growth allowed it to outsell Nissan, Smart, Toyota, Polestar, Citroen, Dacia, Ford, Mini, Porsche, and Mazda. As a result, BYD is now Europe’s 16th best-selling BEV brand - the second Chinese brand following MG, which held 8th place in the BEV ranking. Would be interesti…

> Would be interesting to know how H2 did

We'll see in a couple months, but probably not well, because EU EV sales shrank overall in 2024 [0]

> That link talks about H1 2024 and says this about BYD:

Yea, but primarily this - "BYD is now Europe’s 16th best-selling BEV brand".

It's total sales are still dwarfed by existing giants in the EU market, as the H1 24 sales data has shown. The brands it outsold are those that didn't really target EU BEV sales (eg. Ford, Renault) or are conservative in their EV approach (eg. Nissan, Toyota)

The only Chinese firm that has kind of cracked the European market is Geely, and that's because they were able to leverage Volvo to sell a rebadged Geely as the XC30.

[0] - https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/automotive-new...

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by electric_mayhem »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32

This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…

I bought a Tesla in 2019 - back when it was the Eco conscious car nerd choice, and before he started skewing right.

I liked it so much I got solar for my house from Tesla, along with multiple powerwalls.

Frankly, the car has been an embarrassment to take out into the world for the last three or four years.

With him outing himself as an outright nazi, yesterday I spent fifteen minutes with a heat gun, dental floss, and Goo Gone debadging my car.

I’m profoundly not ok with giving the impression that I am ok with Musk’s abhorrent behavior.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

yalogin wrote: post #46

I see this drop across Europe and Canada but the US is still alright. For some reason though, any negative news about Tesla doesn't reflect in the stock price. Wonder if the US market is propping it up, xAI nebulous or may be just musk's incessant tweeting.

TSLA is a meme stock.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by coloneltcb »

platypii wrote: post #9

FSD makes Tesla superior to any car out there. No other car comes even close. Although I heard that FSD was already crippled in eu so maybe they aren't missing out as much.

I live in the US and I bought a Tesla in early 2020, it's easily the worst purchase I've ever made.

The build quality is crap, the interior cheap feeling, and yes I got FSD and that is the worst part. FSD is only adequate in bumper to bumper traffic.

Any other scenario it's not good enough to drive itself without you babysitting it. So if you have to babysit it, what's the point? It's actually worse to babysit it than just to drive normally, because you get frustrated with FSD's shortcomings (wide turns, inability to merge, sudden freak outs when the painted road lines are obscured).

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by tristanb »

schmidp wrote: post #29
throwaway5752 wrote: post #22

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

That is such a wonderful quote from you asking if you can name examples of him signalling Nazism, apart from the Nazi salute he gave three times to the entire crowd of the inauguration and on national tv.

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Post by anon2549 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #32

This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…

Maybe, but I do know that in my part of the US, I'd regular see a dozen or so Teslas on the road during my commute. Over the last few weeks, though, I've spotted a total of two. There appear to be a lot of people who have stopped driving them so much.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

declan_roberts wrote: post #41
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in San Mateo County, CA Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.

Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons?

> Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons?

Wherever your locale buys and sells used cars. The price of used Teslas has been dropping at a ~24% annualised rate over the last 30 to 90 days [1].

[1] https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends/Tesla-m112

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by xnx »

Teslas are good cars, but I can understand not wanting to drive around in anything associated with the current CEO.

I think about data privacy too. Every automaker sells identifiable location data. I'd normally think of Tesla as being contrarian and possibly better on privacy, but they have a history of passing around photos/videos/audio from inside the cars(!).

I really wish that Apple hadn't killed their car effort. Even without self-driving, it could've been better in many other areas.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by jfkrrorj »

woodpanel wrote: post #27
jfkrrorj wrote: post #4

Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Completely uninformed statement. Its impressive what they achieved in such a short time but neither the xiaomi nor the BYD Seal is anywhere close to what it is mimicking.

It just shows how uninformed you are! BYD Seal is 2000kg car, we do not want that! Europeans want EVs that are maybe 600kg to do shopping and drive around town. 80kms on single charge and 50kmph are quite acceptable parameters.

If I can remove car battery, put it on a cart, and take it to my apartment on 10th floor via elevator, even better! I need to charge it over night!

If I could spare $50k on new car, I would buy ICE before they are banned!

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by dagmx »

KindAndFriendly wrote: post #20

I live in San Mateo County, CA and in my street 3 neighbors have sold their Teslas within the last 8 weeks and switched to other brands.

I’ll be selling our Tesla as soon as other brands have NACS. Specifically Rivian is what I’m looking for and have a preorder on an R2
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