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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

leesec wrote: post #8

Well, Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running. Seems a likely candidate to be again. This is probably due to flipping over inventory for the new Model Y to launch

> Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running

Teslas were cool for two years running. Look, the MAGA market is a big one. But it’s silly to think something as personal as a car won’t be affected by Musk’s politics. (We aren’t even in the phase where Tesla gets hit with targeted counter-tariffs.)

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by throwaway5752 »

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling.

That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the past century, with military action. There are great Chinese EVs, even if Musk weren't behaving this way. Of course demand in the EU is cratering.

Teslas valuation is ridiculous, their reported earnings quality is lousy, and their sales comps are deteriorating.

edit: sorry, I'm blocked from further replies and will not be engaging further. The Nazi salute was more than enough, but his Afd speech and Gray/Abramson's comments about his subsequent Auschwitz visit added to the evidence.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

alephnerd wrote: post #18
jfkrrorj wrote: post #4

Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

> The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo.

Probably depends on the country? I see a ton of BYDs on the road here (Austria).

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

KindAndFriendly wrote: post #20

I live in San Mateo County, CA and in my street 3 neighbors have sold their Teslas within the last 8 weeks and switched to other brands.

> I live in San Mateo County, CA

Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by WJW »

lnsru wrote: post #10

It was an open secret for a while, that new model Y is coming. So why buy an old one when few months in the future you can get current model and not the outdated one. Everyone is just waiting to buy new model Y. I took the risk, got old one year ago and now I am very happy, that the new one is rather facelift with couple percent better range and not a revolutionary upgrade. This would be pity. I am just wondering abo…

If that were the actual reason then why did the sales drop so much in the last month? Surely the new model Y has been coming for a while now, it is difficult to imagine that it would cause a >40% drop across the board from month to month.

Rather it seems very likely that Musk is extremely toxic to the brand at the moment. He is very closely aligned to a president who is actively threatening a trade war against the EU, after all. It would be weird if EU citizens just pretended that wasn't a thing.

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Post by woodpanel »

jfkrrorj wrote: post #4

Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Completely uninformed statement. Its impressive what they achieved in such a short time but neither the xiaomi nor the BYD Seal is anywhere close to what it is mimicking.

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Post by nprateem »

alephnerd wrote: post #18
jfkrrorj wrote: post #4

Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

BYD

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by schmidp »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #22

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by alephnerd »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #23
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

> The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. Probably depends on the country? I see a ton of BYDs on the road here (Austria).

I'm not sure about Austria, but these are the cross-EU stats [0].

And in the largest EU markets (Germany, France, Italy, Spain), it's overwhelmingly local players.

Chinese players have started gaining some traction, but that's overwhelmingly Geely via Volvo. And Geely began their expansion abroad largely due to domestic competition within China, with most consumers preferring either a BYD or a Tesla.

[0] - https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/euro...

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