At least in the US, as long as the charging infrastructure is no better than it is, if you're planning on taking any long trips and you want to do it in an EV, I don't see any alternative to Tesla. And, yes, I know that other brands can now use designated Superchargers and maybe that's enough, but given how few those designations are I doubt it.
Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…
BYD is currently hampered by 45% EU tariffs. BYD vehicles should be much more cost competitive once they have a factory in the EU.
BYD is planning on a second factory after the first in Hungary is operational (2H 2025, ~1-2 years ahead of schedule).
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#54I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…
That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?
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#55It was an open secret for a while, that new model Y is coming. So why buy an old one when few months in the future you can get current model and not the outdated one. Everyone is just waiting to buy new model Y. I took the risk, got old one year ago and now I am very happy, that the new one is rather facelift with couple percent better range and not a revolutionary upgrade. This would be pity. I am just wondering abo…
If that were the actual reason then why did the sales drop so much in the last month? Surely the new model Y has been coming for a while now, it is difficult to imagine that it would cause a >40% drop across the board from month to month. Rather it seems very likely that Musk is extremely toxic to the brand at the moment. He is very closely aligned to a president who is actively threatening a trade war against the EU…
I doubt it is the trade war. I think it is his attempts to interfere in European politics. Musk has done this in both the UK and Germany, and is signalling doing this in other places.
In the UK trying to help an extremist most people loathe (Tommy Robinson) is not going to make you popular. I am guessing that in Germany a lot of people loathe AfD so there is a similar, probably stronger, effect.
From a UK point of view, even if Trump imposes tariffs on our imports, that might be a problem, but it is not repulsive in the way backing an extremist is.
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#56This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…
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#57Previously:
Tesla Sales Are Tanking in Europe
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#58Well, Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running. Seems a likely candidate to be again. This is probably due to flipping over inventory for the new Model Y to launch
> Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running Teslas were cool for two years running. Look, the MAGA market is a big one. But it’s silly to think something as personal as a car won’t be affected by Musk’s politics. (We aren’t even in the phase where Tesla gets hit with targeted counter-tariffs.)
> something as personal as a car
This is such a weird-but-probably-true take. I know it happens, but it's such a shame. Most people can't even name the CEO of their carmaker, much less that person's political positions. Most people just want to get to work and the store, and have very little other choice than some kind of car. Self expression through highly regulated corporations' focus groups: how sad.
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#59At least in the US, as long as the charging infrastructure is no better than it is, if you're planning on taking any long trips and you want to do it in an EV, I don't see any alternative to Tesla. And, yes, I know that other brands can now use designated Superchargers and maybe that's enough, but given how few those designations are I doubt it.
> if you're planning on taking any long trips and you want to do it in an EV, I don't see any alternative to Tesla.
I've taken several long trips in a non-Tesla EV in the United States over the last few years. Never had a problem. Almost every interaction with a public DCFC has been plug and go. Only recently got a NACS->CCS adapter, still haven't needed to use it in about a year since I got it.
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#60This may get flagged as it's similar to previous articles that were flagged, but I'd just like to point out that ideological arguments pro or con about Tesla stories rarely seem to be the true reason. That is, whenever there is an article about Tesla sales slipping you see lots of "That's because all the liberal EV buyers hate Elon now!" comments. And as much as I may personally want that to be true, if you dig a tee…
I think you’re correct. Ideology rarely affects brand penetration this much.
Whenever I talk to people in Europe , they always talk about the other options. Tesla is just not competitive there as a brand.
I do hope that one outcome of this stupid tariff war here is that Canada drops the tariffs on Chinese EVs. They exist to protect US brands but we’re losing out on so many great options.