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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by mgraupner »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #23
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

> The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. Probably depends on the country? I see a ton of BYDs on the road here (Austria).

Germany: 2.891 new BYDs compared to 232.886 new BMWs in 2024. I haven't seen one yet, even though I usually check for new cars.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by gnfargbl »

alephnerd wrote: post #18
jfkrrorj wrote: post #4

Chinese have far better and cheaper EV cars. Getting spare parts for Tesla in Europe is a nightmare!

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

There are significant numbers of MG cars (SAIC Motor) on the roads in the UK. I see more of them than Polestars (Geely/Volvo).

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by formerly_proven »

Philpax wrote: post #54
schmidp wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh...

"Elon Musk straight-arm gesture controversy" is... a lemma to describe that occurrence, for sure.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

schmidp wrote: post #29
throwaway5752 wrote: post #22

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

Dude literally had to go tour death camps to do a PR rehab after endorsing antisemitic conspiracies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by mgraupner »

xnx wrote: post #37
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

BYD is currently hampered by 45% EU tariffs. BYD vehicles should be much more cost competitive once they have a factory in the EU.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chines...

It's 27% for BYD and it was introduced end of October 2024, I guess it had no big effect on sales.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by woodpanel »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #23
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

> The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. Probably depends on the country? I see a ton of BYDs on the road here (Austria).

yeah, seems „a ton“ is relative:

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/993281/umfrag...

might be because other brand‘s cars aren’t always recognizable as EVs…

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by that_guy_iain »

lenerdenator wrote: post #17
that_guy_iain wrote: post #7

I think the AfD is going to find that tying themselves with Elon Musk might bring around the hardcore folk who would have gone with fringe political groups it's going to drive away the centre-right. Linking yourself with a guy who did what is considered within Germany to be a Hitler salute is probably not going to go too well for them.

Depends. Do they have the policies the voting public want? Humans will routinely overlook bad window dressing like prejudice and authoritarianism if they get some policies they like out of the deal. This has shown itself to be true over and over. If Dieter, 63, from some economically-disadvantaged part of Germany gets a promise to do something about "those people" coming and enjoying the German welfare state and to f…

This is a matter so serious to Germans that most Germans won't overlook it.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by alephnerd »

gnfargbl wrote: post #82
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like Volkswagen Group (VW, Audi, Skoda), BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis (Pueguot, Fiat, Opel), Renault-Nissan (Renault, Dacia, Nissan), or Korea's Hyundai. The only Chinese challenger brand that has some traction is Geely via Volvo. You can see this in EU EV industry data as well from JATO (the EU's auto industry trade group) - https://www.jato.com/reso…

There are significant numbers of MG cars (SAIC Motor) on the roads in the UK. I see more of them than Polestars (Geely/Volvo).

Even then, the overwhelming majority of sales are either Tesla, VW Group (Audi, Skoda, VW), BMW, or Hyundai [0].

European automotive groups like VW will own multiple badges/brands so it won't be as prominent but they continue to retain dominance

[0] - https://www.electrifying.com/blog/article/official-figures-s...

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by jfkrrorj »

alephnerd wrote: post #73
jfkrrorj wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see tons of electric bikes from China.

Electric Bikes maybe. But Electric Bikes ain't competing for the same market share as a car. End of the day, the biggest EV sellers in Europe remain either Tesla or European conglomerates. And this is the same story for just about every large economy. No country wants an outsider player selling products that disadvantage local players.

> Most European EV sales that aren't Tesla are European brands like

Bikes are still "vehicles". Problem is that stuff like Tesla are luxuries, we simply can not afford that! Bikes are an alternative on the same market.

An alternative that is heavily advertised by our governments! If there is a significant difference between car and bike, you should tell our government!

Not everyone has resources to treat their car as an IPhone!

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by speed_spread »

m_a_g wrote: post #5

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He most likely cares about Tesla as much as the upper stage of a Space X rocket cares about the first stage booster after separation. It served it's purpose and can now burn up or explode. Zero fucks given once he's in orbit.
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