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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by p_ing »

sumtechguy wrote: post #26
p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

> When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing fixed page files, their opinion is just wrong. interesting. TPM as an optional feature and going forward I would be perfectly fine with. It is a forced feature no one is really asking for. That is why the pushback. Instead it is 'oh ju…

At what point do you make the cut off?

A big piece of Windows 11 is VBS, which requires TPM. It's not just device encryption, but security of core operating system components. Microsoft gets repeatedly hammered, rightfully so, for security, and VBS was the means to right-track that.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by binarin »

For my personal computers I was actually buying Windows licenses up to and including Windows 10, but now I switched to alternative acquisition methods again, and mostly run Windows in VMs with GPU pass-through and disabled networking. Just an honest relationship - they don't respect me, I don't respect them.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by antisthenes »

inetknght wrote: post #25
wqaatwt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility How so? Apart from a handful of edge cases that not even remotely true to being true.

I ditched Windows when 7 went EOL. I've been using Linux for years now. Other than the shitshow online clouds that think I'm a malicious robot, Linux works absolutely great for everyday desktop/school/work use, and is generally great for games as such. It's easier to install, easier to update, easier to manage, and easier to find useful apps for than I ever had to deal with on Windows, macOS, iOS, or Android.

For everyday stuff in 2025, if your browser works, you can be 90% productive in any OS.

For complex configs and tweaking system settings Linux can be a pain, but then again, so is Windows, simply due to the sheer number of registry settings and the possibility that the OS will one day decide to override them with an update.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by tapoxi »

jetbalsa wrote: post #15
Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

Eh, Linux can still be a crap shoot depending on what you are trying to do. differences in distros are still somewhat vast. Do I target Wayland or X11? Do I target OpenGL or Vulkan, Deb or RPM, or one of the many App in a box (Snap, AppImage, Docker, Etc) Don't get me wrong, its gotten better over the years, but still not at a streamlined experience as one would expect. Don't get me started on the X11/Wayland issue,…

Wayland, Vulkan, Flatpak.

(You don't actually need to care about Wayland if you're using a widget toolkit like GTK/QT.)

Basically target the Steam Deck.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by batrat »

I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don't care about TMP, they also don't care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail, browser, print, play games, etc. Without ever thinking why it works. Does windows suck? Probably, but it does the job and is enough for 99% of the home users. Also if someone wants to personalize windows check reddit, you can change almost everything.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by 71bw »

Insane how people are still using anything other than illegitimate LTSC copies. They keep spitting in your face and you keep taking it? They are not getting a single cent from me, they can rot in hell for all I care for. Give me back my Windows 7 experience...

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by porridgeraisin »

p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

5-7 years is new.

My laptop is that old, and my computer is a year older, and my other computer is from 2012.

Not planning to replace any of them anytime soon.

The 2012 computer has had RAM upgrades of course (it shipped with 4gb!). It has an Intel i7 4770S, and nothing it's used for saturates the CPU to even 70% utilisation multi-tasking. Most of the time it's sitting around at < 10%. So it's objectively a bad decision to upgrade it.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by p_ing »

nemomarx wrote: post #40
p_ing wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rather new and ultra-powerful computers > Ryzen 1700 Surely you jest.

what benchmark is it failing to match up to? other than AI work I can't think of a use case for a home machine where it would really be even noticeably slow. certainly it's fine for compiling code and etc. 2017 doesn't really seem old to me since improvements in chips has slowed down.

The "new" benchmark. I quoted the author who said "new" and "ultra-powerful".
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