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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by varispeed »

xnorswap wrote: post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

So true. Every commercial anti-virus software I tried has let me down. From letting viruses in, to damaging the system by itself and causing loss of data. It's like anti-virus software were viruses themselves.

After being burned so many times I just stick to Defender and never had a single issue since (touch wood).

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by mrkeen »

p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

I had a 16-core 32-thread Threadripper that I was rather fond of.

Not good enough for win 11.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by aboardRat4 »

Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #8
aboardRat4 wrote: post #4

Wait until the programs you need to run only work on w11.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

Your stuff is not going to work on win10.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by varispeed »

Pixelious wrote: post #2

Yeah, this pretty much sums up the Windows 11 experience—bloated, slow, and packed with features no one asked for. The fact that Microsoft is doubling down on hardware requirements despite clear pushback just shows how out of touch they are. TPM might have some theoretical security benefits, but for home users? Totally irrelevant.

Such a low hanging fruit for EU to slap a massive fine on Microsoft. Surely what they are trying to do is at odds with climate goals. We should be reusing equipment as much as possible, not buying new. Can only see a case when new equipment might be energy efficient, but not clear when actual benefit would materialise (e.g. cost of disposal, emissions to make new equipment etc.)

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by jetbalsa »

Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #8
aboardRat4 wrote: post #4

Wait until the programs you need to run only work on w11.

Honestly, this is one of the biggest boons for Linux. If your stuff isn't gonna work on Win11 and it isn't gonna work on Linux, so either way you need to make a change, then why not pick Linux? The barrier to entry for Win11 is much closer to the barrier to entry for Linux now in terms of program compatibility, so it's an easier choice than it's been in the past. (obviously I'm still not gonna recommend Linux to some…

Eh, Linux can still be a crap shoot depending on what you are trying to do. differences in distros are still somewhat vast.

Do I target Wayland or X11? Do I target OpenGL or Vulkan, Deb or RPM, or one of the many App in a box (Snap, AppImage, Docker, Etc)

Don't get me wrong, its gotten better over the years, but still not at a streamlined experience as one would expect.

Don't get me started on the X11/Wayland issue, They really needed a reference composer, instead we have like what? 5? all varying their API levels they support for screen capture,

I feel bad for applications that have to do that.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by dizhn »

xnorswap wrote: post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

It might be better than 3rd party solutions but what if the person wants no AV software at all?

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by fresh_broccoli »

nemomarx wrote: post #9
p_ing wrote: post #3

> But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade. TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical "new" x64 is this individual talking about? When I see someone arguing against TPM, it's fairly easy to write their argument off. They don't understand what it's used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing…

I had a Ryzen 1700 that didn't meet the windows 11 tpm standard. It was still working well for everything I threw at it, but I guess a little short of "modern". It still seems a arbitrary cut off for waste though. If TPM is standard enough on hardware surely adoption would happen regardless of OS requirements?

> I had a Ryzen 1700 that didn't meet the windows 11 tpm standard.

It's not TPM, Zen1 does support TPM 2. Also, its instruction set is identical to Zen+ (Ryzen 2xxx), which is supported by Win11. After all, Zen+ was just a die shrink of Zen1 with some minor fixes.

It really seems like they blacklisted Zen1 for no real reason.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Post by davidmurdoch »

xnorswap wrote: post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

And their method of removing it is by deleting folders?! Even though they definitely know Windows is not like Linux where "everything is a file". I'm actually surprised it booted.

Other that that, I thought it was a great criticism of Windows 11.

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