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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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I would like to see a new law that puts any member of government found obstructing justice is put in jail. Except that the person responsible for travesty of justice framing 9 innocent people in this Dutch series is currently the president of the court of Maastricht. https://npo.nl/start/serie/de-villamoord Remember. The courts have the say as to who wins and looses in these new vague laws. The ones running the court…

Is there somewhere I can read more about this?

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Oh nooo, that will stop everyone from using AI systems. Do European politicians understand that those laws are usually dead? There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that.

The usage covering "unacceptable risk" is stuff that's either illegal or heavily regulated already in human operation too. > Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that. Not sure that's a game I want to win.

And do you think a law will prevent that?

The law will only ensure good companies like MistralAI or Black Forest Labs will stay in the shadow.

This is same idiocy like the Republican senator who wants to prohibit Deepseek usage in US.

About legality, what's the illegal thing AI shouldn't do? Many of that knowledge can be accessible already from books, even how to build weapons or explosives

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the act: > to assess or predict the risk of a natural person committing a criminal offence, based solely on the profiling of a natural person or on assessing their personality traits and characteristics ; more details in recital 42: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/recital/42/

In all fairness, that would still ban a system that understands my front door being approached by a guy in a postal uniform wearing a parcel is likely unproblematic, while a guy wearing a hoodie and a crowbar is likely to commit a crime.

How so?

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From the laws text: For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions apply: (1) ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that c…

Notably, Recital 12 says the definition "should not cover systems that are based on the rules defined solely by natural persons to automatically execute operations." https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/Glossary/UKPracti... describes a bit of how recitals interact with the operating law; they're explicitly used for disambiguation. So your hip new AI startup that's actually just hand-written regexes under the ho…

It doesn't seem to be clear to me whether auto-formatted code (or even generated code from copilot for example) would be classified as AI.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could say this about anything.

Yes, but sometimes it may not be a big deal? But with AI, it has the potential to be a very big deal.

I think it’s ok to regulate things that are a big deal.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

> just software, statistics, old ML techniques

yes, and with the same problems if applied to the same use cases in the same way

in turn they get regulated, too

it would be strange to limited a law to some specific technical implementation, this isn't some let's fight the hype regulation but a serious long term effort to regulate automatized decision making and classification processes which pose a increased or high risk to society

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notably, Recital 12 says the definition "should not cover systems that are based on the rules defined solely by natural persons to automatically execute operations." https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/Glossary/UKPracti... describes a bit of how recitals interact with the operating law; they're explicitly used for disambiguation. So your hip new AI startup that's actually just hand-written regexes under the ho…

It doesn't seem to be clear to me whether auto-formatted code (or even generated code from copilot for example) would be classified as AI.

unless your AI generated code gets deployed into production without any human supervision/approval, probably not.
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