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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by dijksterhuis »

Bjartr wrote: post #28
dijksterhuis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the actual text in the ~act~ guidance states: > Exploitation of vulnerabilities of persons, manipulation and use of subliminal techniques techcrunch simplified it. from my reading, it counts if you are intentionally setting out to build a system to manipulate or deceive people . edit — here’s the actual text from the act, which makes more clear it’s about whether the deception is purposefully intended for malicious r…

Seems like even a rudimentary ML model powering ad placements would run afoul of this.

> In addition, common and legitimate commercial practices, for example in the field of advertising, that comply with the applicable law should not, in themselves, be regarded as constituting harmful manipulative AI-enabled practices.

https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/recital/29/

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Post by Oarch »

ItsBob wrote: post #19

> AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes based on their appearance. FTFY: AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes. By "appearance" are they talking about a guy wearing a hoodie must be a hacker or are we talking about race/colour/religious garb etc? I'd rather they just didn't use it for any kind of criminal application at all if I have a say in it! Just my $0.02

It will be hard to gauge this too if it's all just vectors?

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing:

- AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement.

- AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras.

- AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics

- AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement.

All of the above can be achieved with just software, statistics, old ML techniques, i.e. 'non hype' AI kind of software.

I am not familiar with the detail of the EU AI pact but it seems like the article is simplifying important details.

I assume the ban is on the purpose/usage rather than whatever technology is used under the hood, right?

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by ben_w »

rustc wrote: post #22

Does this affect open weights AI releases? Or is the ban only on the actual use for the listed cases? Because you can use open weights Mistral models to implement probably everything on that list.

Use and development.

I know how to make chemical weapons in two distinct ways using only items found in a perfectly normal domestic kitchen, that doesn't change the fact that chemical weapons are in fact banned.

"""The legal framework will apply to both public and private actors inside and outside the EU as long as the AI system is placed on the Union market, or its use has an impact on people located in the EU.

The obligations can affect both providers (e.g. a developer of a CV-screening tool) and deployers of AI systems (e.g. a bank buying this screening tool). There are certain exemptions to the regulation. Research, development and prototyping activities that take place before an AI system is released on the market are not subject to these regulations. Additionally, AI systems that are exclusively designed for military, defense or national security purposes, are also exempt, regardless of the type of entity carrying out those activities.""" - https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_...

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by dijksterhuis »

infecto wrote: post #24
dijksterhuis wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from the actual act, which is linked in the article > the placing on the market, the putting into service for this specific purpose , or the use of AI systems to infer emotions of a natural person in the areas of workplace and education institutions emphasis mine. chatgpt was not specifically put into service to monitor your emotions at work. so it’s fine i’d say. and your pull request thing is fine. also, you’re not…

And its kind of funny when non-legal experts attempt to say something is fine or not. It depends highly on not only how its written but the spirit of what the EU is attempting to do. The knee jerk reaction is probably that historically institutions do a terrible job of writing rules and especially rules around new technology.

you are right to call me out. IANAL. on me.

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

Bancakes wrote: post #15
mdhb wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Remind me of the European Silicon Valley and its greatest accomplishments?

Not actively overthrowing democracy and infecting society with an attention addiction industry.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by dist-epoch »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #9
_heimdall wrote: post #5

What I don't see here is how the EU is actually defining what is and is not considered AI. > AI that manipulates a person’s decisions subliminally or deceptively. That can be a hugely broad category that covers any algorithmic feed or advertising platform. Or is this limited specifically to LLMs, as OpenAI has so successfully convinced us that LLMs really are Aai and previous ML tools weren't?

the actual text in the ~act~ guidance states: > Exploitation of vulnerabilities of persons, manipulation and use of subliminal techniques techcrunch simplified it. from my reading, it counts if you are intentionally setting out to build a system to manipulate or deceive people . edit — here’s the actual text from the act, which makes more clear it’s about whether the deception is purposefully intended for malicious r…

so "sex sells" kind of ads are now illegal?
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