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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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I would like to see a new law that puts any member of government found obstructing justice is put in jail. Except that the person responsible for travesty of justice framing 9 innocent people in this Dutch series is currently the president of the court of Maastricht. https://npo.nl/start/serie/de-villamoord Remember. The courts have the say as to who wins and looses in these new vague laws. The ones running the court…

surely EU courts will not unfairly penalize US-developed models...

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In addition, common and legitimate commercial practices, for example in the field of advertising, that comply with the applicable law should not, in themselves, be regarded as constituting harmful manipulative AI-enabled practices. https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/recital/29/

Broadly speaking, I feel whenever you have to build into a law specific cave outs for perfectly innocuous behavior that would otherwise be illegal under the law as written, it's not a very well thought out law. Either the behavior in question is actually bad in which case there shouldn't be exceptions, or there's actually nothing inherently wrong with it in which case you have misidentified the actual problem and are…

Funny, I took away pretty much the opposite. That advertising is only "acceptable" because it been here for too long, but is otherwise equally ban-worthy for all the same (reasonable) reasons.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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If AI is outlawed then only outlaws will have AI.

That take doesn't at all engage with the main point of the article: Unacceptable risk.

it doesn't actually define unacceptable risks. could be used for the development of biological, chemical, or nuclear agents? sure, an intelligent general-purpose model could be. so can wikipedia versus having to trawl through old library books. so can control-F on a PDF.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Never forget the EU is run by lobbies by design. So usually those scary regulations are not what they seem to be. Here is what happened in most corporations when GDPR came out: - An new Chief Privacy Officer would be appointed, - A series of studies would be conducted by big consulting firms with a review of all processes and data flow across the organisation, - After many meeting they would conclude that a move to t…

> Here is what happened in most corporations when GDPR came out

Do you have a source on that, or is this what you feel like may have happened? The move to the cloud was in full swing way before GDPR came out in 2016 and got enacted in 2018. Same for outsourcing.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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If AI is outlawed then only outlaws will have AI.

I know you are trying to reference this quote with regard to guns but I think you are actually disproving the point you are trying to make.

https://vpc.org/press/states-with-strong-gun-laws-and-lower-...

I'll gladly live in a country with no AI at all. Give me Dune post-Butlerian jihad levels of AI outlawing and I'll move there. I strongly believe that myself and all the people living there will be much happier.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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From the laws text: For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions apply: (1) ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that c…

So no more predicting the weather with sensors?

I have a project which uses weather info to predict avalanche risk. Reading the articles its hard for me to understand whether this would apply or not but my feeling is it might (If I ever need to run this in the EU I would talk to a lawyer). https://openavalancheproject.org

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Seems very reasonable. Not all software has the same risk profile, and autonomous+adaptive software certainly have a more dangerous profile than simpler software, and should be regulated differently.

What? Why? Shouldn't those same use cases all be banned regardless of what tech is used to build them?

Using a machine, instrument or technology for some intended outcome will nevertheless have a distribution of outcomes. Some good some bad. A kitchen knife will usually cut food, but will occasionally cut your finger. If maliciously used the bad outcomes become a lot more.

Two different machines can be designed for the same use case, but the possible bad outcomes in either "correct" use or malicious use of the two machines can be very different. So it is reasonable to ban the one which has unacceptable bad outcomes.

For example, while both a bicycle and a dirt bike are mobility vehicles, a park may allow one and ban the other.

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