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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by impossiblefork »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

I wouldn't be surprised if it does cover all software. After all, chess solvers are AI.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by jampekka »

waltercool wrote: post #73

Oh nooo, that will stop everyone from using AI systems. Do European politicians understand that those laws are usually dead? There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that.

The usage covering "unacceptable risk" is stuff that's either illegal or heavily regulated already in human operation too.

> Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that.

Not sure that's a game I want to win.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by HPsquared »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #78
dijksterhuis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In addition, common and legitimate commercial practices, for example in the field of advertising, that comply with the applicable law should not, in themselves, be regarded as constituting harmful manipulative AI-enabled practices. https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/recital/29/

Broadly speaking, I feel whenever you have to build into a law specific cave outs for perfectly innocuous behavior that would otherwise be illegal under the law as written, it's not a very well thought out law. Either the behavior in question is actually bad in which case there shouldn't be exceptions, or there's actually nothing inherently wrong with it in which case you have misidentified the actual problem and are…

It's the style of law that says "Anything not explicitly permitted, is banned."

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by impossiblefork »

scarface_74 wrote: post #62
MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU just prioritises protection for its citizens over tech industry profits. They are also not opposed to ad revenue and tracking; only that people must consent to being tracked, no sneaky spying. I'm quite happy for tech to have those restrictions.

The EU right now is telling Meta that it is illegal to give users the option of either ads based on behavior on the platform or charging a monthly subscription fee.

and it is illegal, and has been illegal for a long time.

Consent for tracking must be freely given. You can't give someone something in return for it.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by teekert »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

Have been having a lot of laughs about all the things we call AI nowadays. Now it’s becoming less funny.

To me it’s just generative AI, LLMs, media generation. But I see the CNN folks suddenly getting “AI” attention. Anything deep learning really. It’s pretty weird. Even our old batch processing, SLURM based clusters with GPU nodes are now “AI Factories”.

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Post by HPsquared »

wiz21c wrote: post #56
troupo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe if the GDPR was a simple law It is a simple law. You can read it in an afternoon. If you still don't understand it 8 years later , it's not the fault of the law. > instead of 11 chapters and 99 sections News flash: humans and their affairs are complicated > all anyone got as a benefit from it is cookie banners Please show me where GDPR requires cookie banners. Bonus points: who is responsible for the cookie b…

> Please show me where GDPR requires cookie banners. That's the bit everyone forget. GDPR didn't ask for cookie banners at all. It asked for consent in case consent is needed. And most of the time consent is not needed since I just can say "no cookies" to many websites and everything is just fine.

So why does every website persist in annoying their users? Are they all (or 99%) simply stupid? I have a hard time believing that.

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Post by HPsquared »

impossiblefork wrote: post #84
scarface_74 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU right now is telling Meta that it is illegal to give users the option of either ads based on behavior on the platform or charging a monthly subscription fee.

and it is illegal, and has been illegal for a long time. Consent for tracking must be freely given. You can't give someone something in return for it.

Free as in freedom, or free as in beer?

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by gamedever »

spacemanspiff01 wrote: post #47
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

From the laws text: For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions apply: (1) ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that c…

So no more predicting the weather with sensors?

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by theptip »

Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals.

> AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school

I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by lubsch »

gamedever wrote: post #88
spacemanspiff01 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the laws text: For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions apply: (1) ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that c…

So no more predicting the weather with sensors?

Which of the criteria of the risk levels that will be regulated which are listed in the article do you think would include weather predictions?
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