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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Social media could have been utopian, too, yet those apps are algorithmic manipulation hellscapes that threaten to bring down even the most robust democracies. The same people who make it so are poised to be the ones in control of these AIs. I don't think they want the kind of utopia you imagine.

What I described doesn't have to be utopian in an absolute sense, just significantly better than where we're currently headed. I think a lot of the unchecked pessimism around super-intelligent AI is just people being a bit naive or shut off from the reality of just how terrible things are going to be over the next century. We're waging 25% tariffs over planefuls of people, what's going to happen when it's 100 million…

I agree in part with your views.

Though I think you misunderstand or underestimate human nature of self interest. Everyone that is in control of a superpower like this will abuse it. Be it on a presidential level, be it on CEO level, be it a major shareholder of a foreign NGO. That is why we had democratic splits of types of power in the first place. I say "had" because the trend globally is leading to right wing autocratic ideas due to manipulation of social media.

Human self interest and egocentric world views is what gave us this mess.

The only thing capable of evening out the odds is a federalistic decentralized approach, which we desperately need for AI. Something like a legislative system for lots of overfitted mini AI assistants that also give outliers a chance to be the social trend.

Otherwise we will land up with the ministry of truth, which, right now is Facebook and TikTok effectively. The younger generations that grew up with social media tend heavily towards populist right wing ideas because those are easily marketable in 30 seconds. Paint the bad guy, say that it is established fact, next video. Nobody is interested in the rationale behind it, let alone finding and discussing a compromise like you would in a real debate that wants to find a solution.

We need to find a way to change beliefs through rationale rather than emotions. Ironically this problem is also reflected in trained LLMs that turn into circlejerks because they've learned that from the dataset of us easily manipulateable humans.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

Exactly zero management or executive positions at my workplace have had the “can an AI do this?” exercise intended to explore ways of reducing headcount.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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I would guess that the pushback is more about the possible economic imbalance that will happen and less about being replaced on the actual effort of coding.

Maybe because I'm not originally from this country my view is different, but I think the fact the majority of the world's increase in population is about to happen in extremely poor places that will be subject to the worst of climate change means that the AI will have to be immensely powerful to actually increase worse imbalances than we're already headed for. So powerful that it'd also raise the floor on quality of…

I am almost certainly wrong, and we will find some solution, or sue the hell out of the genAI firms, but this is the economic issue I see. It competes with productivity as a core economic driver of human wellbeing:

Concentration of wealth.

GenAI consumes content, even that created in low resource languages and regions, and spits it back out, separating the creator from the traffic due to their labor.

This isn’t entirely unknown - we’ve all been inspired by someone else stuff and copied our own.

Now, genAi firms have inserted themselves into this loop. And they’re cutting out the creator.

The scaled, automated pseudo workers that these firms promise, are owned by the firms. The productivity they create accrues to a small group of foreign multi nationals.

Economically - this shouldn’t be an issue. More productivity, means more capability of people doing newer work.

I do expect this to happen. However firms are also very good at making sure they capture the greater share of the market.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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My guess is that the plan will be Office -> Office 365 -> Microsoft 365 -> Microsoft 365 Copilot -> Microsoft Copilot.

Why was it Microsoft 365 in the first place? Does it not work on leap days ?

You only pay fro 365 days a year. The leap day is free.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Is there a single big company out there that sanely has not decided to ride this "AI" wave? People being pushed stupid features that no one has ever needed nor asked for? It's Clippy's revenge and you can't get rid of it this time? Microsoft really deserves ton of prizes for ruining so many products.

I can't think of any other than potentially oil and gas (though they probably use a lot of it in head office type environment).

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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The MacOS copilot implementation is horrid. Takes up a significant amount of screen space just to offer a summary of the email. Cannot turn off. For whatever reason cannot be a simple button with pop up on click. It’s horrid.

I can't think of an email I have ever received that needed to be summarized? Who is writing these super long emails?

The apple one to summarize texts is even odder. It is a medium almost entirely defined by extreme brevity.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Is there a single big company out there that sanely has not decided to ride this "AI" wave? People being pushed stupid features that no one has ever needed nor asked for? It's Clippy's revenge and you can't get rid of it this time? Microsoft really deserves ton of prizes for ruining so many products.

amazon? I mean they have some data center stuff, but amazon-the-website does not seem infected with artificial idiocy yet.

Aws docs has a chat bot.
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