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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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post #46

30 years of their home name Office brand, known by pretty much every person that's ever had a computer let's get rid of that, and make the unreliable bullshit generator the main brand instead certainly a courageous decision

That was my line of thinking as well. The article pointed out that they rebranded to Office 365, then Microsoft 365 and now Microsoft 365 Copilot. The thing is, no one ever calls it anything but Office, maybe Office 365 if they're being real fancy and specifically want to refer to the subscription service.

My take is that Microsoft assumed that everyone is calling it Microsoft 365, which they don't.

30 years of owning the term "Office", having almost every single person who ever touched a computer know that Office is the Microsoft office productivity suite, then deciding that a sort of working, but yet to be 100% defined LLM is more important. The fact that no one stopped this or that shareholders aren't pissed tells you something about how absolutely broken modern computing is.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Microsoft really has to pull itself together in terms of product branding. Microsoft 365 itself was a terrible name for an office suite, but adding a "copilot" at the end is hitting too low a bar. Not sure how it even got an approval in the first place.

My guess is that the plan will be Office -> Office 365 -> Microsoft 365 -> Microsoft 365 Copilot -> Microsoft Copilot.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

#73

I don't think Microsoft has created a single novel or useful thing in the last 30 years, with the exception of vscode.

Windows 2000 was pretty revolutionary

It was a security nightmare, but it was so close to what we're still using today it's not even funny.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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post #34

A lot of people use Microsofts products out of old habit and because they are simply not aware of any alternatives. I have helped alot of people try LibreOffice, which offers everything they need from their office suit. Most people also like that LibreOffice looks like what Word and Excel looked like before Microsoft changed up the menu system.

>A lot of people use Microsofts products out of old habit and because they are simply not aware of any alternatives. This is an incomplete take. People use MS Office because everyone else uses it. In practice, that means if you try an alternative, then there's no assurance that your documents will render or function the same way on an MS Office installation. I tried going all LibreOffice when I was a grad student. I…

It is much better today, but still not perfect. For relatively simple word processing tasks, it is not a problem anymore.

And saving as a pdf is a fine compromise when the receiver doesn't have a need to edit the document.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Hate that if you use Word for Mac, you now have Copilot next to your cursor with no way of turning it off. I just want to use Word. I like its print layout features better than Pages. I don't want to switch. Just let me write and leave me alone. Now they're jamming AI down my throat without any opt-out mechanism.

> Hate that if you use Word for Mac, you now have Copilot next to your cursor with no way of turning it off.

They should put it in the bottom corner, next to an animated paperclip instead.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A lot of people use Microsofts products out of old habit and because they are simply not aware of any alternatives. This is an incomplete take. People use MS Office because everyone else uses it. In practice, that means if you try an alternative, then there's no assurance that your documents will render or function the same way on an MS Office installation. I tried going all LibreOffice when I was a grad student. I…

> I tried going all LibreOffice when I was a grad student. How long ago was this?

This was in the early 2010s. Then I tried again in the late 2010s. And again (with Google's suite) a year ago.

It doesn't work when you're required to submit MS Office documents to people who pay you. You can't tell them "LibreOffice is so great, you should use it too!" You either use MS Office, or you look like a sloppy amateur when your figures are the wrong size and the text is overflowing off the side of the document.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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An interesting note on the making a PowerPoint out of a folder of pictures. That isn't a task. It's a few non-obvious button clicks but it'll just make each slide a picture. Used to use it for my grandfather's travels. Just in case anyone thought they needed a LAM or whatever for that.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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post #30

Worse than CoPilot is the new Notepad. Can close the program without saving the file, open it again and it is still there! WTF?

The default editor in Ubuntu, presumably just the default gnome text editor, is the same. I struggled to get rid of a scratchpad of notes once. Really weird and unexpected and I'm sure it gets people in trouble occasionally.

That's why my go-to way of closing that editor has become Ctrl+W+Q (add more W if more than one tab is open in the editor).

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in terms of being a word processor (i.e. supporting all the layout and editing/proofing features that Word has.) But if, as the GP says, you want a program to “just let you write” (with some "writing-phase" accoutrements like change-tracking, word count, a dynamic Table of Contents, and so forth) — and you want a pleasant experience while writing, that takes advantage of the acceleration of native OS UI element…

You can just write with LibreOffice. Your example of special acceleration for Apple made software is unfounded.

I happily used LibreOffice for years, and got a small businesses off Word in favor of it (well, OOo at the time). I’m a fan.

But Pages is much more ergonomic, lightweight, and native on a Mac. There’s not a likely scenario where I’d use LibreOffice over Pages.

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